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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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except that child seats are mostly safety theater, of course

Is there any evidence for that? I know that for example women are more likely to be injured in car crashes because most car seats/interiors are designed around the average man so if be surprised if a human half didn't need to be raised or put in a safer position.

Don’t men get in more accidents?

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Agreed, I also really dislike this frequent misuse of the term "bricking". Bricking used to mean getting your device into a permanently unrecoverable state, but these days I see it used so often as just to mean "I can't turn it on right now".

Language evolves, it's not set in stone. Besides, the car might still be bricked, as far as we know? Perhaps the onboard computer is screwed and needs a replacement?

> Language evolves, it's not set in stone.

Yeah, but in this instance I feel like the language is evolving solely because it makes for better clickbait titles. "Bricked" sure sounds scarier than "temporarily unavailable".

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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I think preventing your car from being stolen is an extremely basic issue - it's a risk that exists at the back of your mind constantly when you drive an expensive vehicle, so yeah, I'm glad the car does this. The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal.

> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

> Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

Which wouldn't happen. This is an anti-theft system. So are you saying that the anti-theft system would engage while the car is being driven for a while by the correct owner ? If that were the case, that would be an egregious defect that should be corrected.

The car is not disabling itself just because there's no signal, that would be terrible. It disabled itself because it thought it was being tampered with. The fact that not even a Ferrari tech was able to get it going is actually a major endorsement for the system.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> let Ferrari do it's thing. Or trailer it to a certified dealership to have it reset there.

This is a very Apple-like line of thinking. It's not a valid excuse.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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post #188

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It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.

From the original thread [1], which people should probably read: > The fact it had no signal at the time of the tamper safeguard being triggered meant that remote recovery wasn't an option, even when we moved it into the open. Idk, an extra layer of theft protection I suppose. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...

This makes total sense, honestly. Jamming a signal would be indeed best done at the time of the (attempted) intrusion.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Except they're totally not, and saying that is dangerous. Go look at crash tests of "child car seats" that are nothing more than a box ticking exercise which uses the adult seat, versus a properly engineering seat and you'll see what you are completely wrong.

https://freakonomics.com/2007/01/05/we-are-not-the-only-ones...

That Freakonomics article is from 2007 and was only pointing out that manufacturers don't test all scenarios - not anything resembling your claim that they're just "safety theater". CDC strongly disagrees based on actual accident data (click risk reduction at the following link):

https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/child_passenger_safet....

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Is there any evidence for that? I know that for example women are more likely to be injured in car crashes because most car seats/interiors are designed around the average man so if be surprised if a human half didn't need to be raised or put in a safer position.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5gMZcZWm0 https://freakonomics.com/2007/01/05/we-are-not-the-only-ones...

So your "evidence" is a single anecdotal account from over a decade ago?

Actual accident data doesn't back you up...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

Well, if you read all 3 posts - Ferrari flew specialist that couldn't do anything.

It's not exactly straight forward to tow car that doesn't move out of the garage with such low ceiling. They had to manually release handbrake from boot and push it out of the garage.

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