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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by smitty1e »

vibrolax wrote: post #47
smitty1e wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

My guess is the product you want to buy is on offer, but not at the price you are willing to pay. Do It Yourself is the market solution for people who want something different than what is offered in the mass market. The internet has enabled truly insane levels of DIY capability. Capitalism is not a charity. Therefore people that want products that cannot be sold profitably in the mass market can make it themselves,…

If this product is on offer, then their word-of-mouth marketing isn't getting it done.

The 70 Series Land Cruiser was mentioned above.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by oconnor663 »

nrmitchi wrote: post #107
birdyrooster wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?

Someone who has both a child, and a Ferrari.

"This baby can go zero to sixty in three seconds flat."

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by alexcabrera »

Spooky23 wrote: post #44
smitty1e wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

There are dozens of car companies, so the market is working. Government regulation exists because your desire to buy a “simple” car impacts my ability to breathe. You can buy very simple vehicles for off road use. Fixing broken cars became a cultural thing because cars really sucked and you had to waste a fair portion of your life fixing them. Things like emission regulation brought metrics and standards to the indus…

> your desire to buy a “simple” car impacts my ability to breathe

This kind of hyperbole is exactly why we have the president we do.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by nrmitchi »

compsciphd wrote: post #116
nrmitchi wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone who has both a child, and a Ferrari.

does it have a back seat?

First, some models do. I don't know about that particular one, because (shockingly) I don't own a Ferrari.

But second, that doesn't matter. Most places do not have laws that prohibit children in the front seat of cars, only that they use appropriate child seats. Further, child seats are typically required for _children_, not just infants. IIRC, for example, in Texas, child seats are required for any child under the age of 8, unless they are taller than 4'9". It is totally reasonable for a 7 year old to want to go for a ride in their parents "fancy" car. It's actually very responsible of this person to get a child seat properly installed in order to support that.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by bluedino »

birdyrooster wrote: post #99
jobu wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. It was even more basic than that. They were installing a child's carseat for the owner, and I believe it was an anti-theft system that was triggered. The story reminded me a lot of the rental car that bricked itself because it lost cellular service - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/drive…

Who puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?

A baby, that would be weird. But nowadays you have to put a child in a seat until they are like 10...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Igelau »

lisper wrote: post #124
compsciphd wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

does it have a back seat?

Some do. https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/gtc4lusso But what difference does that make? Why couldn't you put a car seat in the front passenger seat of a two-seater?

Airbags are not designed with the bodies of children or infants in rear-facing carseats in mind. They're actually really dangerous for them - potentially lethal.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

LeonM wrote: post #70

A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

Agreed, I also really dislike this frequent misuse of the term "bricking". Bricking used to mean getting your device into a permanently unrecoverable state, but these days I see it used so often as just to mean "I can't turn it on right now".

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by vkou »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #57
gambiting wrote: post #26

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I think preventing your car from being stolen is an extremely basic issue - it's a risk that exists at the back of your mind constantly when you drive an expensive vehicle, so yeah, I'm glad the car does this. The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal.

> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

> Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

What happens if your car breaks down for run-of-the-mill mechanical reasons when you're driving through an unpopulated desert with no cell towers or people?

How likely is this failure mode, compared to mechanical failures?

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Scoundreller »

klyrs wrote: post #120
Scoundreller wrote: post #105

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While I could see steer-by-wire driven by lowered production costs (easier to share parts between LHD and RHD models), I could also see it indirectly driven by weight savings to meet fuel economy regulations. No pinion shaft required. No pinion shaft cutout through the firewall means the body can be made with less steel. Belt-driven pumps are moving to electric-drive for efficiency, but when you're switching from hyd…

Sure, I can agree with the weight savings. Having hit a pothole recently, I've been driving with a bit of a lean... this could be extremely easy to fix in software, and I suspect that automatic recalibration would be pretty simple to implement. As it stands, I'm waiting for nice weather on a weekend in the Fall, and I'll probably end up at the mechanic. And economy of scale doesn't just apply to LHD/RHD, but the part…

Meanwhile, I'm thinking about how lazy cars are making us and tinkering with disabling the power-steering pump.

But with drive-by-wire, we could simulate all kinds of scenarios in software and switch between them.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by jessaustin »

mprovost wrote: post #92
ceilingcorner wrote: post #63

Wonder if there will be a market for gasoline-powdered, or at least non-network connected, cars in the future. This sort of scenario makes me want to never buy an electric car, ever.

There is still a market for horses.

Just barely. The slaughter ban enacted over a decade ago has emptied out horses from the American heartland. Lots of them starved to death. Many of them ended up slaughtered anyway, only in much poorer conditions in Mexico. Large livestock used to have inherent value in this country. Not anymore. We're the India of horses.

When poor rural families are doing fine, spending thirty bucks a month on feeding and caring for a horse is no problem. But poor families know they won't be doing fine forever. They can't afford to spend $800 on a horse they don't know they'll be able to sell at all if they need to do so suddenly. So, lots of kids who would have spent time around horses absent the ban, haven't.

Rich morons and the charities they support don't care about that. There are still markets in place for horses with economic value such as Thoroughbred race horses. Although, since they don't race their entire natural lives, Thoroughbreds have also been harmed by the slaughter ban.

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