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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by TimSchumann »

sandworm101 wrote: post #7
short_sells_poo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know the person in question isn't renting both spots? And unfortunately renting two spots is often a requirement in Europe for example because the lot sizes tend to be so small that it is impossible to park with a wide car otherwise.

Those are full-sized spots. People with oversized vehicles and who rent spots normally park astrive the line, not across at 45. That is done by someone who doesn't want anyone near his car. And even if this guy has rented two spots, that is still being a jerk to all the other people who want to rent/use spots. Do that around my town and you will find motorcycles parked in the triangles you have left behind. I saw a p…

Except if you read the thread this is clearly a privately owned garage used for auto parts installs, not public parking.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by coliveira »

mannykannot wrote: post #19
PJDK wrote: post #12

Reading through it seems like people are misinterpreting this. By my reading the car has an anti-theft device that was triggered by the installation of seats. There is a remote system to override the anti-theft device, but that doesn't work because it requires mobile reception. It's kind of funny, but this doesn't really tell you anything about the dangers of "smart cars" or anything.

It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.

I think the design is correct. If somebody is dismantling the car it should shut down.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by asdff »

klyrs wrote: post #50
smitty1e wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

You can frame it as regulatory capture, but to a large extent, it's more about environmental and consumer protections that the auto industry has spent decades fighting. As somebody who drives an ancient car, I'm keenly aware of its lack of safety features. The "american steel" argument falls flat; my car was made before the concept of crumple zones, much less airbags -- driving this boat, I'd be seriously injured or…

Is throttle and steering by wire a safety feature? No. Its objectively worse than having the physical linkage, and manufacturers turn to it out of ease of design.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by rrdharan »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #57
gambiting wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think preventing your car from being stolen is an extremely basic issue - it's a risk that exists at the back of your mind constantly when you drive an expensive vehicle, so yeah, I'm glad the car does this. The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal.

> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

I think you'd have to be kind of nuts (or filming a Top Gear episode, not mutually exclusive) to be driving a Ferrari through an unpopulated desert.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by bnycum »

The updates are pretty hilarious as well. Basically even after sending the tech the car is still bricked at the moment.

Update 1: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9ji...

Update 2: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...

There was also a story a few years back that is kinda similar in issue. A rental car was taken into a rural area but they couldn't restart the car as there was no cellular signal for the app to re-enable the car. https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/1229214223227478016

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by reader_mode »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #57
gambiting wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think preventing your car from being stolen is an extremely basic issue - it's a risk that exists at the back of your mind constantly when you drive an expensive vehicle, so yeah, I'm glad the car does this. The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal.

> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

Somehow I doubt this is a concern many Ferrari owners have.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by vaccinator »

mannykannot wrote: post #19
PJDK wrote: post #12

Reading through it seems like people are misinterpreting this. By my reading the car has an anti-theft device that was triggered by the installation of seats. There is a remote system to override the anti-theft device, but that doesn't work because it requires mobile reception. It's kind of funny, but this doesn't really tell you anything about the dangers of "smart cars" or anything.

It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.

Makes me wonder what they forgot to consider in the network security department...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

rrdharan wrote: post #65
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

I think you'd have to be kind of nuts (or filming a Top Gear episode, not mutually exclusive) to be driving a Ferrari through an unpopulated desert.

Maybe, but what do you say when they put the same anti-theft system in a Land Rover, or just the regular cars that the people who live or work in sparsely populated deserts drive?

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by LeonM »

A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation.

The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats.

The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the airbags if there is no passenger sitting there. So it is no surprise that any type of work on the seats puts this system in an error state. Especially on high-performance cars it is not unusual that the car immobilises itself when the safety systems are in error state.

A certified dealership will have the computer interface and software to reset the fault mode. For those that do not have this software, Ferrari can remote into the car and reset it for you. This requires connectivity though. This is actually quite a common thing on luxury cars.

This has nothing to do with 'smart' modes, remote hacking capability or disabling a car while in motion. The fact that the manufacturer can remote into their cars, does not automatically mean that the car is vulnerable to remote hacking. This is, in fact, a safety system that kicked in.

The solution here was probably simple: bring the car outside, and let Ferrari do it's thing. Or trailer it to a certified dealership to have it reset there.

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