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Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Rich people don't have babies? Heck, now-a-days they're the only ones can truly afford them.

Rich people do have babies, just not as many. And they can afford a reasonable car to put a carseat in. In addition to the Ferrari.

That's exactly what the owner did- they went and got their Maserati https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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The car wasn't disabled because it lost reception, it was disabled because of an anti-tampering device that activated when the owner tried to install a child car seat (admittedly, what they did to install a child seat that set off the tamper switch baffles me). It remained disabled because the remote support team couldn't fix it since the parking garage was underground and had no cell reception.

The posts on reddit said it went into some uber-lockdown because it also didn't have reception so even adding cell or wifi repeaters wouldn't have worked. My guess is this some serious anti-theft for when your very expensive car gets stuffed in a shipping container - it bricks itself until you present it physically at a dealer (at which point you'd hope it gets flagged as stolen).

FWIW, most cars aren't shipped in containers. There are specialized car ships that are more or less floating parking garages. Longshoremen drive the cars out to a surface lot nearby.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Wonder if there will be a market for gasoline-powdered, or at least non-network connected, cars in the future. This sort of scenario makes me want to never buy an electric car, ever.

What does this have to do with a car being electric?

Some nonsense due to commenter not having actually read the article - since the Ferrari in question has a gas engine.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> The solution here was probably simple: bring the car outside, and let Ferrari do it's thing.

The solution was not simple.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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I agree with gambiting. Yeah, it sucks, but just tow your car outside and turn it on again. These things exist for a reason. If it had really been stolen, and there was the work around of 'oh, there's no signal so we'll let the car start and drive off' - then a thief could permanently jam that signal, or remove the electronic device responsible for receiving that signal. E.g, it's not perfect but it is secure.

> ...just toe your car outside... Hehe I wouldn't normally pick up on typos but this a great one - "tow" your car outside, unless maybe you're planning to kick it out there :-)

Don't know about the mass of this particular car, but I once started an Integra with a dead battery by "skateboarding" it: pushing with the driver's door open and then scooting in to throw it into third once I had enough momentum.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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post #87

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> The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. It was even more basic than that. They were installing a child's carseat for the owner, and I believe it was an anti-theft system that was triggered. The story reminded me a lot of the rental car that bricked itself because it lost cellular service - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/drive…

Who puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?

My first thought: imagine the geometry of trying to get a child into a car seat through a Ferrari door opening …

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> The fact that the manufacturer can remote into their cars, does not automatically mean that the car is vulnerable to remote hacking. I'm pretty sure that that's exactly what it means. What happens when someone steals the manufacturer's authentication keys, or gets on to the manufacturer's VPN?

Security and safety systems in a car are 2 different things.

Being able to reset a car that was immobilised due to a failure in the safety system does not mean that you can steal it, nor does it mean that you could create a dangerous situation. Resetting the system does not mean overriding. If the problem persists, the car will automatically immobilise again are the reset.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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post #86

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Sorry, but I'm not sure what part of my comment that you're responding to. Maybe you're rebutting my parent? Because I've never heard of a regulation towards drive-by-wire, so I suspect this particular aspect of automotive design is a result of a free market.

While I could see steer-by-wire driven by lowered production costs (easier to share parts between LHD and RHD models), I could also see it indirectly driven by weight savings to meet fuel economy regulations. No pinion shaft required. No pinion shaft cutout through the firewall means the body can be made with less steel. Belt-driven pumps are moving to electric-drive for efficiency, but when you're switching from hyd…

Sure, I can agree with the weight savings.

Having hit a pothole recently, I've been driving with a bit of a lean... this could be extremely easy to fix in software, and I suspect that automatic recalibration would be pretty simple to implement. As it stands, I'm waiting for nice weather on a weekend in the Fall, and I'll probably end up at the mechanic.

And economy of scale doesn't just apply to LHD/RHD, but the parts necessary to implement drive-by-wire can be shared between makes and models -- a Fiat won't need as much torque to steer as a Peterbilt, but in theory a huge amount of that system could be shared. That can significantly reduce engineering costs as well.

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