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Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by vincnetas »

ekianjo wrote: post #49
redis_mlc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think NOT having a facebook account has ever prevented anyone from getting a job. Rather the opposite, actually. Well, you're wrong. I've had interviewers ask why I host my own blog instead of using Facebook, and said it was very unusual that they couldn't check out my social background. And Craiglist rental ads often screen applicants using social media, usually Facebook.

> Well, you're wrong. I've had interviewers ask why I host my own blog instead of using Facebook, and said it was very unusual that they couldn't check out my social background. Well, why would an employer need to check your social background? They should care about your skills more than anything else.

Yes. You can go and try explain this to them. Good luck.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by sneak »

It’s not enough for the government to read everyone’s messages; they must also work with the platforms to make it seem to the public like the platforms are secure against government snoops, so people will continue to use them freely.

The whole “Apple wouldn’t decrypt the phone for the FBI” is one such false narrative in the media to further this. Apple had already provided the FBI with the phone’s iCloud data, which usually contains backups that have complete plaintext message history. Apple also dropped their plan to encrypt iCloud device backups that would prevent this sort of surveillance, specifically to aid the FBI.

Facebook already provides whatever surveillance law enforcement requests. This is a press hit along the same lines to spread the lie that routine communications on Facebook are not subject to surveillance.

They absolutely are. You can tell this by trying to send banned links via Messenger. A platform that doesn’t surveil the content will necessarily permit them as they will be opaque to the provider. Facebook has many systems in place to monitor and censor message content.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by moonchild »

dannyw wrote: post #23
seibelj wrote: post #22

Isn't it obvious how the widespread knowledge that the government can read everything you do online - your FB posts, your emails, your texts - contributes to the erosion of trust in government and institutions? As an anecdote, I went to DEFCON last year. I was at a blackjack table and surrounded by midwestern salt-of-the-earth types. I had my badge on which flashed lights, and someone asked if I was "one of those com…

9/11 and the “you’re with us, or you’re with the terrorists” mentality happened.

9/11 certainly provided that argument with a lot more ammo, but the rhetoric has been around for ages. Remember the cold war and McCarthyism?

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by psychoslave »

ekianjo wrote: post #49
redis_mlc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think NOT having a facebook account has ever prevented anyone from getting a job. Rather the opposite, actually. Well, you're wrong. I've had interviewers ask why I host my own blog instead of using Facebook, and said it was very unusual that they couldn't check out my social background. And Craiglist rental ads often screen applicants using social media, usually Facebook.

> Well, you're wrong. I've had interviewers ask why I host my own blog instead of using Facebook, and said it was very unusual that they couldn't check out my social background. Well, why would an employer need to check your social background? They should care about your skills more than anything else.

Well I can be the most technically skilled of my domain, and yet be a total bastard that would bring nothing but trouble in whatever team I would join.

Thus said, a call to previous employers should do the trick.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by 0xy »

ios14 wrote: post #36
0xy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law enforcement can't even prevent a mass shooting when the shooter is repeatedly reported to federal law enforcement (Pulse nightclub shooter). How do you think this level of access will allow them to solve crimes?

Bananas and bowling balls. Based on your description, the situation you described is a shame and a failure of law enforcement to keep us safe. Not an encryption issue.

If law enforcement are this inept and incompetent, why should they be given easy-to-abuse access to private communication?

Especially given we know that those with access regularly use it to spy on ex-girlfriends and other innocent civilians.

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Post by abellerose »

I live my life assuming everything already has a backdoor and the article title is misleading the populace. Sure, the Five Eyes and Japan might be asking for a backdoor but I postulate the chance they don't already have access to all information they desire is zero. At this point everything is just meant to wear everyone down and increase tolerance until the day "government has access to everything" doesn't matter to the populace.

Secondly, I think people are really naive to consider any justification for catching bad guys. All funding should be going into making the desire "to be a bad guy" zero. That's not going to be done by fear but instead by making a life as "not a bad guy" more attractive. Currently people are living unattractive lives while following the law and society should be making that unattractiveness go away.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by AYBABTME »

vmception wrote: post #26

All they have to do is create a "user analytics package" which happens to read client side text. We would never know if it was implemented or not. Alternatively they can look at existing analytics packages and look at the dependency graph and take over one of those to capture the screen and read info.

We'd know by merely looking at the network tab in the web inspector.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by AYBABTME »

If it undermines people's trust in Facebook's privacy, I'm for it. We need general adoption of strong open source secure messaging, and Facebook/WhatsApp stands in the way of this by being "good enough".

If anything, this sort of announcement might just as well be a false flag tactic: look how secure Facebook is, 5-eyes is pleading for them to be less secure.

[/tinfoil hat]

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by psychoslave »

ketzo wrote: post #51
SN76477 wrote: post #46

Crime will be the price that a free society pays. We need a certain tolerance of petty crime if we are going to truest be free.

That sounded sort of vacuous to me at first, but I think it’s a genuinely good point. I think human nature or whatever you want to call it is always going to mean that some number of people don’t follow The Rules to some degree, and that achieving 100% perfect rule adherence should not necessarily be the one and only goal of society.

What rules? It's not like any government out there rises every single citizen or has into a fully qualified lawyer.

People generally go with the foggy model of what seem the most in accordance with values they lously acquired by observing there own neighborhood.

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