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Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by makeworld »

eplanit wrote: post #319
latexr wrote: post #259

Tim Cook’s twitter bio[1] has the following: > “Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?'” - MLK Considering this and the HKmap.live[2] situations, I’d say that in his case the answer to that question is “not much”. [1]: https://twitter.com/tim_cook [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HKmap.live

Maybe Tim Cook uses that quote to signal virtue and gain popularity for his own and the company brand. Haven't Apple ads used MLK before?

I think that's exactly what latexr is pointing out.

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Post by m-p-3 »

jimam wrote: post #306
marketingPro wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't how technology works. I feel weird saying something so obvious to me but- Servers/databases have IP addresses that can be blocked just as easy to stop and App.

Well, in the case of Telegram they've already tried pretty hard with the servers and databases route (hasn't worked).

And most servers nowadays are behind CDNs, so blocking an IP might block more than you actually wanted. And with eSNI being pushed, that might become even more difficult to effectively filter a specific service.

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Post by hu3 »

varjag wrote: post #153
RotANobot wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple has handed over the entire operation of iCloud in China to a regime owned company, including all user data and keys (they did warn users that they were going to do that though). Woah. I don’t know how I missed this news for so long.

They offset that with PR over refusing cooperation with the FBI. A lot easier to be principled in the countries where the rule of law is followed.

And then Apple gave up on strongly encrypting user backups so govs can just ask nicely for iPhone users data anywhere in the world:

https://www.androidcentral.com/apple-may-have-ditched-encryp...

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Post by tw04 »

Imagine Apple demanding telegram remove data providing personal information about the nazi officers running Auschwitz... these are government employees caught Assaulting citizens while masked and refusing to identify themselves. They lost all right to privacy when they decided to support the current attempted dictatorial takeover.

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Post by hyperdimension »

eecc wrote: post #255
y04nn wrote: post #249

There is something terribly wrong here. Imagine Microsoft asking Facebook to block access to some Facebook groups for Windows/IE users. Yes Telegram is on the AppStore distributed by Apple, but it's a free app, just a enhanced web app. Apple wants to have control on what you know, what you see, what you think. I'm not going to buy an Apple product any time soon, despite the hardware and software being the best you ca…

No. Imagine a pro-Trump alt-right group identifying participants to BLM marches and sharing their names and addresses with their gun-toting mouth-frothing associated. Would you be surprised if it devolved into threats, intimidations and people getting shot?

> gun-toting mouth-frothing associated

I'd like to plea, not specifically to you but more in general: if each of us can tone down the rhetoric, even a tiny bit, we might become able to relate to each other just slightly more and not to add more weight to the huge wedge of partisonship that divides everyone from their neighbor.

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Post by partyboat1586 »

im3w1l wrote: post #312
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #276

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> There is no middle ground. Pause this slippery slope argument for a second. The current situation in Belarus: - Protestors are being imprisoned by unidentified agents in unidentified vehicles - Protestors are being _tortured_ throughout nightly interrogations - Protest _organizers_ have been kidnapped overnight and hanged from trees to get the OMON's point across. This isn't a US politics disinformation twitter pin…

The reason people want guns and freedom of speech is because they anticipate these kinds of situations. With actual dictatorships and everything. Similar to poker, it rarely goes all the way to showdown. But the possibility of showdown still shapes everything.

Indeed. People in the US are a little complacent because democracy has been in place for enough generations to forget that Dictatorship is the default state.

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

foepys wrote: post #274
m3kw9 wrote: post #267

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Sure that country can force Apple to comply with local laws. That’s how it works now.

So if an app shows an image of two men kissing, Apple should order the app makers to take it down worldwide because it's illegal in Uganda?

Uganda has no money and probably few iphones so probably not

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Post by tripzilch »

oxymoran wrote: post #317
newbie578 wrote: post #305

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You state an excellent point and I would love to see the Apple fanboys argue your point.

I love how people say Apple fanboys like it’s an insult. Is there a legitimate, better option to apple? No because the smartphone market is dominated by google and apple. At least apple pretends to care about privacy. Yes, apple are obviously hypocrites. Still better than google. If there was another viable choice I would happily go with that.

Sorry but what's Google done that is worse than this?

These are people trying to save their country, from rigged elections and an oppressive regime. That's what they use communication for, and Apple shutting this down, choosing the side of the party that stole the election through cheating and force.

I'm not a big fan of Google (nor Apple), but I'm having a hard time thinking of something Google did that is so straight up egregious. But maybe there is, and I forgot about it.

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Post by christophilus »

latexr wrote: post #259

Tim Cook’s twitter bio[1] has the following: > “Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?'” - MLK Considering this and the HKmap.live[2] situations, I’d say that in his case the answer to that question is “not much”. [1]: https://twitter.com/tim_cook [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HKmap.live

Well, “others” is vague. Tim’s doing plenty for others. Belarus’ politicians are others. Xi and friends are others.
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