Eh, it is yet another reason for me not to own a Tesla. There seriously needs to be a bigger outcry against this. There is no benefit to the user. Your ( supposedly ) car actively works against you and your interests ( even if that interest is to be a stupid person who applies make up during driving ). Seriously, why is there a need to be cameras everywhere? And why do they need to watch me blink?
Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for
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#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not where the context of this thread is. My comment clearly changed it to how sometimes it can be hard to know, and how experiencing it once can be useful to knowing what that feeling it. You responded to it. The context at this point is not about repeating that, you're mixing your threads, and likely arguing against points people are not making but you think they are because of that mistake.
Even if that is the case, my point stands. It is not normal to go from being a little tired to being so tired that you can actually fall asleep at the wheel just like that. I've done my share of long drives, including overnights across most of my country on occasion. If you're going to do something like that, you need to plan the journey sensibly, take plenty of breaks, make sure you got extra rest before you leave.…
> It is not normal to go from being a little tired to being so tired that you can actually fall asleep at the wheel just like that.
The point is that it isn't "just like that", but not everyone has experience with passing out from being tired while trying to continue doing something they were actively trying trying to concentrate on.
> If you're going to do something like that, you need to plan the journey sensibly, take plenty of breaks, make sure you got extra rest before you leave. Don't they teach this sort of stuff in basic driver training where you are?
Obviously not well enough, or I had forgotten some of it in the almost decade between taking the classes and actually experiencing it for the first time. And to be clear, I thought I was being cautious, it was definitely not my first time making that trip, and I didn't think I was so tired I would lose consciousness, and yet one second I was fine, and the next second (to my consciousness) I noticed I was halfway across the center divider. I didn't feel any more tired than I had on a a prior trip, yet, the conclusion is obvious, that level of tiredness feeling might lead to that outcome, therefore it was no longer acceptable.
So, here's the thing, prior to that situation I thought I was being responsible, and had years of experience to go by that indicated I could drive in that state. All it takes is once occurrence to let you know that what you thought as fine was not.
What exactly was a I supposed to obviously know from that beforehand? It's nice if you've always been able to know the correct level to stop at, or perhaps you stop far earlier than strictly needed, which is fine. You would never know if you stopped with plenty of attentive time left you could drive, but better safe than sorry.
All I see this meaning is that different people have different thresholds for this, and all I was saying originally is that I wish there was a way for us to impart this experience better during driver training, so people knew what the warning signs are better, in case their internal calibration was too far on the dangerous side initially, like mine was.
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#383Comments on the site itself are pure gold as some are pointing out the various (mostly humorous) events that are not being actively tracked with their driver-facing camera. I will try to compile this list below: - DRIVER_ON_PASSENGER_SIDE - DRIVER_MISSING - DRIVER_PICKING_BOOGERS - DRIVER_SEAT_FULLY_RECLINED - DRIVER_SNORING - DRIVER_SHAVING - DRIVER_VAPING - DRIVER_LIVESTREAMING - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP - DRIVER_AP…
PASSENGER_UNDER_DRIVER is making me think a lot harder than I expected to.
Passenger and driver are both in driver seat, but driver is sitting in passenger's lap. Sex may be involved...
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#384Tesla has a history of using remote diagnostics to snitch on drivers instead of allowing investigators to do their job. It’s a valid concern that your car manufacturer will use the interior cameras to blame a crime on you. These automatic tagging features also bring to question the bias in algorithms. What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? Is it possible that a safe driver with ADHD or Turrets etc might b…
Before you go all conspiracy theory, try reading the actual article. It's an opt-in and the data is not recorded nor uploaded to Tesla without an opt-in control.
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#386This is creepy. I don't want more electronics keeping eyes on me. In fact I don't want to be driving at all. Bring on the full-on self-driving car. I don't have a car though as I live in a city where I don't really need one (or could even park it if I wanted to). But in some countries you can't do without one sadly.
Caddilac has had this for years for their driver assistance system. It cuts out if you look away from the road.
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/how-cadillac-super-cruise...
> It also keeps track of whether the driver is paying attention to the road. Unique to Super Cruise is that it does this not by requiring the driver to keep his hands or touch the steering wheel, but by tracking the driver’s eyes and head position.
> Despite being capable of handling the car on its own, Super Cruise will not work unless it detects the driver is paying attention to the road. In Cadillac’s case, that doesn’t mean necessarily having the hands on the steering wheel, but keeping the eyes looking forward.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy is already dead (or at least, on life support). I'm personally not giving in easily, and certainly wouldn't buy a car with a camera I don't control pointed at my face. That is absurd to me. However, most people just see this only as a safety issue. They're willing to compromise a lot of privacy for a little increase in safety. That's not objectively wrong, but I disagree with it. If I could audit my records,…
What do you people do in your cars that concerns you so much from a privacy standpoint, other than pick your nose?
I talk to myself, a lot. And I talk to others as well. How is this not a privacy concern? I also look sad, or look happy. I really don't want anyone to be able to sell me things based on the days I smile the most.
Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for
#388Tesla has a history of using remote diagnostics to snitch on drivers instead of allowing investigators to do their job. It’s a valid concern that your car manufacturer will use the interior cameras to blame a crime on you. These automatic tagging features also bring to question the bias in algorithms. What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? Is it possible that a safe driver with ADHD or Turrets etc might b…
Before you go all conspiracy theory, try reading the actual article. It's an opt-in and the data is not recorded nor uploaded to Tesla without an opt-in control.
We're like 300 yards down the slippery slope and gaining speed fast. Today's "It's opt-in and isn't being recorded" is tomorrow's "If you don't agree to allow us to use this video in any manner we deem fit, or if you leave 4G+ coverage for an excessive period of time, your car may not start".
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#389Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for
#390Tesla has a history of using remote diagnostics to snitch on drivers instead of allowing investigators to do their job. It’s a valid concern that your car manufacturer will use the interior cameras to blame a crime on you. These automatic tagging features also bring to question the bias in algorithms. What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? Is it possible that a safe driver with ADHD or Turrets etc might b…
What do you mean by snitch? I think it's a perfectly valid reason to "snitch" if the driver was truly at fault. There's some great reasons for driver-facing cameras- and if one of those trade-offs is that drivers are less likely to "get away" with causing a crash, then that's fine in my books. Bias feels like a different argument entirely, though I do share your concern about it...
What do you think the chances are that tesla releases the data when it is tesla who is at fault.
Except of course as a PR diversion, as we saw with the Uber automatic driving case.