Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

electrek.co

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 455 posts

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#61

Post by cptskippy »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

> I have a history of dozing off at the wheel.

Have you tried to address this issue? This seems like a huge safety concern and you're actively choosing to put others in harms way by continuing to drive.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#63

Post by iddqd »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

I hope as soon as EYES_CLOSED trigger loud alarms go off and the car slows down carefully, with or without autopilot enabled.

You should probably stay off the roads if you’re having these issues and/or seek help to resolve them.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#65

Post by gene91 »

alanbernstein wrote: post #60
ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

Aren't autopilot and sleep detection totally independent features?

Auto manufacturers are approaching Adaptive Cruise Control in a manner that intermingles the two: GM "Super Cruise", Ford's upcoming "CoPilot 360 Active", etc.

In my opinion, these two features are very related. In order to have a reasonably low false positive, the sleep detection must be reasonably lenient. In turn, this means the vehicle must be able to (most of the time) tolerate a few seconds of inattentive driving.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#66

Post by ogre_codes »

lm28469 wrote: post #33
motohagiography wrote: post #10

Hah, if the main barrier to autopilot for cars is liability and insurance, passive biometric monitoring of the driver is certainly one way to shift liability around. The real feature should just be a button that shifts insurance liability to Tesla for the period of the autopilot engagement and charges you a floating premium for it based on traffic conditions per mile/km while the autopilot is on. The real problem is…

> The real feature should just be a button that shifts insurance liability to Tesla for the period of the autopilot engagement and charges you a floating premium for it based on traffic conditions per mile/km while the autopilot is on. No amount of money makes up for human lives. You can pay a premium of $1mil per mile, if the car end up smashing into a family car at 80mph because the system was fooled by a shadow or…

> No amount of money makes up for human lives. You can pay a premium of $1mil per mile, if the car end up smashing into a family car at 80mph because the system was fooled by a shadow or a reflection it's still a net negative

This is a metric human drivers fail to hit every single day.

There is some acceptable level of risk in shifting driving to a robot. How you draw that comparison and draw the line is tough. It's complicated greatly because the kinds of failures autopilot makes are significantly different from the kinds of failures humans make.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#67

Post by gamblor956 »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

In some states your medical condition would prevent you from getting (or renewing) a driver's license.

You need to talk to a doctor immediately because you're an active risk to other people on the road.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#68

Post by nexuist »

cptskippy wrote: post #61
ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

> I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Have you tried to address this issue? This seems like a huge safety concern and you're actively choosing to put others in harms way by continuing to drive.

I agree. If this is something like e.g. narcolepsy, you should see a doctor. There are a few low-risk prescriptions worth looking into.

When I used to pull 18 hour days, I would also notice myself getting tired behind the wheel, but never fully falling asleep. My low-tech solution to this was to set an alarm for 10 minutes after I started driving and setting the alarm volume to max. Then, the alarm would go off in the middle of my drive, usually surprising me and jolting me awake since I'm obviously not paying attention to the time. Then, snoozing the alarm would make it go away for another 10 minutes, and so on until I made it home. This is probably not the perfect solution but it worked for me. Obviously the better long term solution is to a) not do 18 hour days and b) address what is making you so sleepy and stop it from happening.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#69

Post by adolph »

cptskippy wrote: post #61
ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

> I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Have you tried to address this issue? This seems like a huge safety concern and you're actively choosing to put others in harms way by continuing to drive.

Indeed. In a fail-safer world maybe an original use for driver monitoring and autopilot would be to move the vehicle to a safe spot to stop and perform alerting.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#70

Post by hellisothers »

chrismeller wrote: post #29

I realize that this is still supposedly a “help us improve”/“data gathering” step, but I’m having trouble deciding how I feel about it. Yes, of course, safer drivers (whether automatic or fleshy) is a great thing, but this still hits that deep-seeded paranoia level for me. I mean, what if FaceID had been proven out the same way? The number of times I unlock my phone every day and the number of times I’m doing it some…

Yea a friend only drives older cars without ODB to avoid tracking anything (he’s pretty paranoid). But I’ll resist buying a car with a driver facing camera as long as I can, I don’t care how much they discount insurance premiums if you get one, it’s not worth it.
Post reply on HN