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Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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"Directly facing the internet" is a legitimate Windows Server configuration scenario for some use cases.

Yes a Honeypot...but i thinks that's it.

DirectAccess and Web Application Proxy are 2 actual examples.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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It's important to note that [1] seems to refer to federal sentencing, and almost all criminal law in the U.S. is state law. [1] is a small subset of what's going on, and it can't be used to generalize.

Not the OP, but it is interesting that the US criminal law is so state dependent. Out of curiosity: do you have reason to believe that the sentencing disparity is better when considering states?

Hypothetical reasons why this may be the case:

1. The most egregiously racist judges probably work in districts which they rarely encounter minorities.

2. Regions with large minority populations have to deal with much more crime in general, so may have lighter sentences for equally severe crimes.

3. Minorities are more likely to plead out and never go to trial, skewing sample size.

To be clear, I doubt that state judges are better than federal ones. After all, criminal justice corruption in smaller towns in America is staggering. Not too long ago, a judge was indicted for being bribed by the owners of a jail to hand down severe sentences to minority offenders.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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post #298

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You said it was common. I said "it was not universal or common". Social media is often used to amplify a message, do not act shocked when it amplifies the response as well. I am not sure what the Portugal drug model has to do with this topic or why you're pivoting away from murderers and to drug users. You specifically noted murderers(effectively the most heinous of crimes), as gaining more sympathy than racist tweet…

The Portugal drug model (or similar scale legalization and decriminalization) has a lot to do with it. A lot of the people who end up committing murder or are nailed for egregious drug offences are only in the position they're in because of bad policy. This is something that can be directly acted upon and changed. I am very, very sceptical of the idea of a "conviction" for a non-crime. Racism, though deplorable, is n…

Portugal drug model does not excuse murder. Again, no clue why you keep bringing this up.

Racist speech and thought is often followed through with racist action, and this can be overt, but much of it is subversive throughout a society/culture, especially one that openly tolerates racist expression.

Ignoring racism also doesn't do anything positive, and in some cases encourages it. There's also a view point that people speaking up about racism is "cancel culture", and there are people who want to cancel that "cancel culture". Sorry, but at some point there has to be some nuance and middle ground of tolerable/intolerable and this is always going to be fuzzy, especially in a dynamic environment of social media.

It doesn't really sound like you have a solution, other than "ignore it" or continuing the status quo, which includes "cancel culture". You cannot prevent someone from saying racist crap on twitter, but then you also can't ban the blow back that person gets. If nothing should be done, then you accept that social media has its positives and negatives, and allow the adults to be responsible for what they say and be willing to accept the blow back for any heinous crap spouted out on it, just like Dick Costolo will have to face, which you bringing it up seems to kinda be an attempt at cancel culture.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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> The way that ex-felons are treated in society is despicable, no wonder there's a 55% recidivism rate if you get blocked at every attempt to becoming a productive member of society. What makes you think they want to be a 'productive member of society'? It's not that hard to be a member of free society instead of prison society - don't break the law, repeatedly. There'll always be unlucky exceptions and if your goal…

>It's not that hard to be a member of free society instead of prison society - don't break the law, repeatedly.

Wow. It's THAT SIMPLE! Would you like to report this to the media or should I?

Most "criminals" are people who are from severely disadvantaged socioeconomic and/or family backgrounds. Gee, what a coincidence. You mean the people who grew up without an opportunity in the world resort to crime to try to stay afloat? Shocking I tell you.

>What makes you think they want to be a 'productive member of society'?

What a pompous ass statement. What makes you think they DO NOT want to be a productive member of society given the proper opportunity?

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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> Is it because you believe that the penal system did not properly make this person safe to return to society? I absolutely don't believe the penal system makes people safe after they serve their time. > Is it because that once someone has committed such a terrible crime that they are inevitably going to be able to do so again, because they have the psychological profile to do it? If a person killed someone without a…

Thank you for giving your honest answers. It's good to examine one's beliefs. > I absolutely don't believe the penal system makes people safe after they serve their time. Fair, and understandable. > If a person killed someone without a damn good reason, why would I think they wouldn't do it again? Why would you think they would do it again? Given that someone spent over a decade in prison, shouldn't it have deterred…

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Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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In the US every job I had required a criminal background check. Also when I volunteered to coach my kids team and also for other volunteering I did in their school. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea. For example, you don't want let a sex offender coach a kids team. And I don't care if that person already paid their dues. But you cannot ruin the life of someone who has a minor offense from years ago. People sh…

It's impossible to know for sure what employers actually check for when you're hired, but anecdotally I've only been given a background check consent form at three of about a dozen jobs over the past three decades, and two of those also required DoD security clearances. I suspect larger employers do it as a matter of course, and smaller ones don't.

How many of your applications had a box requesting if you were ever convicted in those 30 years? Until fairly recently that was standard practice on any application. With the ban the box gaining traction, most companies now just farm it out, you don't have the check the box, they will do the background check. And here is the kicker, you don't have to give your consent in most cases as they are having a third party do the check on publicly available information. companies like goodhire, and many like it make the whole process cheap and easy.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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In Texas, if you pull a background check on someone you're required to provide a copy to them which I always felt was a good minimal standard - at least then you know that someone pulled the check and what they found.

California is the same. Also, if someone runs a credit check, you can also request a copy of the report.

Required to vs can request is a huge difference.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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I don't have a record, but, through the extracurricular volunteer work I've done for the last 40 years, I've had a lot of interaction with people who have spent some quality time, getting free room and board; from Minimum Security Federal pens, to supermax and 23-hour solitary. One thing that I can tell you, is that there's no way to apply "one size fits all" templates to them all. Some will shine like you wouldn't b…

I'm kinda surprised your guy got in trouble. Many banking places don't even drug test..

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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I was convicted for drugs and firearms in Norway. The only time it has ever come up during my many years as a programmer, was when a consulting company I worked for had the police IT service as a candidate for my next project. Since it was for the police, a background check would be required. I politely told my department head that I would not pass that, and a short summary of my case. At that time I had worked for a…

The U.S. is just so awful.

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's just what we don't need here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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post #249

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I could assume hacking, fraud, corporate espionage, etc. along with info relevant to the software (i.e. if you make banking software I'd assume fiscal crime would be at least somewhat relevant)

Hacking would probably be a plus for a software enginer. They know how to debug systems. Espionage, theft, and violent crimes... That's a different situation (I don't want someone coming after me after I liter their PR with comments)

> Hacking would probably be a plus for a software enginer. They know how to debug systems.

They also apparently have poor judgement and/or security practices, if they got themselves convicted under CFAA or similar. And possibly questionable moral integrity depending on what and how they were hacking.

Background checks are not intended to evaluate skills but to find risks. Having a hacking conviction is generally not a positive signal.

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