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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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The thing is US has its own TikToks: if US bans TikTok, CCP will use its influence to undermine FB, WhatsApp, IG, Snapchat, etc. CCP is pretty much saying: "we know you're spying on the entire world and we want to do the same; if you torpedo our secret submarine, we'll do the same to yours."

They’ve already blocked those in China, Gmail, Google, FB etc. The insidious thing with WeChat is politically sensitive items are reviewed then blocked and use of the app trains their blocking heuristics.

CCP's influence doesn't end at China's borders.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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It's not nearly as back and white as you would appear to like it to be. I do not see any laws being broken or US Citizen rights being trodden on with this ban. They're not even setting a new precedent with this ban. It is completely within the executive branches power to ban a foreign corporation for national security reason, reasons that may not be completely clear to the public. Though I think the reason is very cl…

>They're not even setting a new precedent with this ban. They are though. The powers of executive order used for the ban are specifically limited to prevent any banning or stopping the information flow of any forms of media and communication. i.e. The U.S. President can't use executive orders to circumvent the first amendment.

I'm absolutely not an expert, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect the CCP/Tiktok has no constitutional rights in the US and the President can take any action against a government controlled foreign business if there's even a hint of a national security risk. Not saying it's right it wrong, only that it's within their power.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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They’ve already blocked those in China, Gmail, Google, FB etc. The insidious thing with WeChat is politically sensitive items are reviewed then blocked and use of the app trains their blocking heuristics.

CCP's influence doesn't end at China's borders.

The Matrix is all around us, in the food we eat, on the television, inside this very room...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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You’re comparing Apples to Oranges, or in your case, heroin to hemp; no ones banning the components that make up TikTok (the code, the business, the algorithms etc)... Comparing heroin to heroin though, yes we do ignore someone who’s selling 1 gram of heroin at a time over someone selling 1 ton of heroin at a time.

So is tiktok full of literal official Chinese propaganda? Or is it full of people doing stupid things? Or is people doing stupid things Chinese propaganda nowadays? You're saying it's comparing heroin to heroin, is it ?

For what it's worth, I was only pointing out that a guy transporting 1 gram of heroin would be a lower priority for investigation compared to a guy transporting a larger quantity of the same product. So a social media platform that's worse but less popular would not be on anyones radar for a ban, precisely because its on nobodies radar to begin with.

But I see the point you're making. I'd say that, in the case of hemp vs heroin, the guy transporting 1 ton of industrial hemp would be subject to close scrutiny since the product could be used for illicit purposes (turning into heroin). If there was any evidence or suspicion of foul play, his capability to transport industrial hemp would be removed and he would face investigation. I'd apply the same logic to software too.

But the difference is that it's hard to scrutinise closed-source software and it's also difficult to "trace" data and know that data isn't being harvested for re-use by the CCP for other nefarious purposes. We do have suspicion of foul play though – TikTok routinely blocks anything anti-China and we're aware of the massive data gathering that the CCP performs to monitor its own citizens. We also know they (and others) are manipulating western social media using the data they've gathered.

Your subsequent argument that TikTok is just full of people doing stupid things is, I think, a bit disingenuous to the potential for harm that TikTok is capable of. The top level commenters link (https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/) explains it quite well. It's also worth noting that the same argument could be made for any social media platform when they first got started. Example, facebook = "just a bunch of teens socialising online". Obviously if you're one of the people who doesn't think facebook has become a problem then this debate is pointless. But if you do see the harm that facebook has caused globally, I personally believe that TikTok has even greater potential for harm.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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>They're not even setting a new precedent with this ban. They are though. The powers of executive order used for the ban are specifically limited to prevent any banning or stopping the information flow of any forms of media and communication. i.e. The U.S. President can't use executive orders to circumvent the first amendment.

I'm absolutely not an expert, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect the CCP/Tiktok has no constitutional rights in the US and the President can take any action against a government controlled foreign business if there's even a hint of a national security risk. Not saying it's right it wrong, only that it's within their power.

U.S. citizens have constitutional rights, and that includes using information services for expression of speech that are or are not based in the U.S.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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When you look at the amount of data one would have to sift through to find anything valuable, it’s a pretty big difference between TikTok & Zoom. Put simply, TikTok saves & distributes short video content. Zoom streams long video chats. The potential for gathering psychological data would be far higher with TikTok, and the barrier for entry far lower.

We have computers that can automatically make transcripts. I'm sure china knows how grep works. Are you seriously suggesting that its easier to gather psychological data from short videos than it would be from therapy sessions held over zoom? Why would that even be more valuable to china than the traditional industry espinoge that would be trivial to extract over zoom. Hell, why would you expect that short videos mad…

One can’t just grep and understand millions of conversations instantly.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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> Western governments are far more sinister than China Oh really, I didn't know my country was doing things way worse then putting people in concentration camps, harvesting organs, putting people in prison because they had group sex, putting people in prison for years because they legally protested etc. Thanks for the information! But just for future discussions when I try to talk down these pesky people that try to…

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It leads to discussions that are predictable, nasty, and dumb. We're hoping to avoid those here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Since when is asking for sources to ridiculous claims taking it into a flamewar? Extrqa ordinary claims requires extra ordinary evidence.
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