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In court? By calling a credible witness, perhaps an expert, who says “X isn’t occurring.”
Yea but you can’t prove it’s not occurring. All you can show is lack of evidence that it is occurring.
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> do the laws give the president the ability to block a foreign company in such situation? Yes, Congress has given the President the power to “regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any acquisition, holding, withholding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of, or dealing in, or exercising any right, power, or privilege with respect to, or transactions involv…
Do you know then on what grounds the judge enacted this block for now? The article is low on details.
They also published Bytedance’s written complaint for injunctive relief, but it’s hard to know which arguments the judge accepted: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/tikto...
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> I read that post as asking exactly what distinction creates a problem, not a denial that there are many of them. That question was being asked in a roundabout way, but if you're not so generous, do you not pick up a bit of a whiff of incredulity? >> http://english.www.gov.cn/ is another platform that's controlled exclusively by the Chinese government. But no one's proposing a book-burning, that the US firewall all…
On the context of the post he was replying to, yes, I agree. If it's taken as a simple answer, that question sounds completely disingenuous. But I also find it hard to read the comment as a literal answer to the parent. But anyway, the reason people are uneasy all over the thread is quite simple. Banning a platform this way is a serious interference on the freedoms of expression and initiative, but letting the platfo…
That's a nice simple explanation, and perhaps there's truth to it, but people aren't just "uneasy" - if that was all that was going on, there wouldn't be such a massive variance in perception of reality, and I also suspect we wouldn't be observing so many instances of weird cognitive failure on simple tasks. I don't know what the explanation is, but something unique is going on that you do not see in other threads, on more complicated topics.
> Banning a platform this way is a serious interference on the freedoms of expression and initiative, but letting the platform unchecked is a serious offense to the US sovereignty.
I have the same take as you, but ours seems to be a minority opinion. Personal opinions on what should be done about the situation are perfectly appropriate, but widespread disagreement and confusion about what the state of affairs of this rather simple scenario, that seems like something else entirely.
Welcome to the Red Scare 2.0, comrade. TikTok is under fire because it’s a piece of software from China. We’ve turned a blind eye to hardware security and the fact that the iPhone and nearly every other mainstream consumer device is manufactured in China and likely contain backdoors far more sinister than userland applications can muster. We can not and should not have such double standards when it comes to foreign p…
Welcome to the Red Scare 2.0, comrade. TikTok is under fire because it’s a piece of software from China. We’ve turned a blind eye to hardware security and the fact that the iPhone and nearly every other mainstream consumer device is manufactured in China and likely contain backdoors far more sinister than userland applications can muster. We can not and should not have such double standards when it comes to foreign p…
> Western governments are far more sinister than China Oh really, I didn't know my country was doing things way worse then putting people in concentration camps, harvesting organs, putting people in prison because they had group sex, putting people in prison for years because they legally protested etc. Thanks for the information! But just for future discussions when I try to talk down these pesky people that try to…
Welcome to the Red Scare 2.0, comrade. TikTok is under fire because it’s a piece of software from China. We’ve turned a blind eye to hardware security and the fact that the iPhone and nearly every other mainstream consumer device is manufactured in China and likely contain backdoors far more sinister than userland applications can muster. We can not and should not have such double standards when it comes to foreign p…
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Kettle, meet Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Reddit, HN.
Indeed. Again there’s no question the attack vectors - however dismissing it as “kettle” or “them too” solves nothing and contributes to making the situation worse. Every comment I make is being downvoted yet there’s a critical point that’s either entirely dismissed as insignificant because others are doing it too or divorced from the ability to reason about information warfare and it’s implications. Oh well at least…
At which point you’re being disingenuous.
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What makes you think that zoomers are more likely to be influenced by social media than boomers or millenials?
I don’t think they’re any less or any more other than the potential net vectors exposed. A boomer typically has traditional media as a source of information which shapes their world view. These channels have their own programming and narratives. The zoomers are entirely on internet platforms which has a higher degree of manipulation. Every single person is mined against. Every single person gets optimized against. Th…
Heck, people made this argument for the printing press.
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> You are discarding effects of repeated viewing of different algorithmically selected videos on the views of viewers. It is an experiment that is being done right now by no less than TikTok itself. And is there any accepted scientific evidence, at all, that this would change whether we should be more worried about priming effects in a TikTok video than fake news posts directly shared by friends and family? > Actuall…
You keep asking for scientific evidence of effects of completely new phenomena. I cannot provide you that. On the other hand, I am pretty sure you cannot provide me with evidence of absence of effects of the experiment of that magnitude. Facebook is also doing priming, by controlling what user sees. Heck, even television and radio back in the day were used for priming, albeit not in such a direct feedback way. About…
This is not how regulatory policy should work. I'm just going to repeat my first comment:
> It's good that the courts are blocking this in the absence of a specific, credible threat.
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> Note there is a difference between saying one thinks TikTok is a national security threat to the USA, and saying one thinks the U.S. government should ban it (or so on). In this case, I'm not convinced there is - the nature of the alleged national security threat is very different from security threats in the past. From recent actions in Hong Kong, it has been evident that the CCP will arrest and imprison people fo…
That's really far fetched though. Consider this: the CIA kidnaps and tortures people. They can look at Facebook activity. Therefore, all countries should ban Facebook because it might lead to their citizens being kidnapped and tortured by the CIA. That's equally far fetched and I don't think anybody is seriously arguing for it.
You're clearly a lot more invested in this than I am. I'm not aware of any CIA kidnappings; I am aware of news headlines on HK media executives being arrested and am aware that the Chinese government is heavily invested in monitoring the views its diaspora express in a way that the US government isn't. (If an American called Trump a goose, they'd probably get upvotes. If someone called the Chinese leader something they might have more problems.)