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>The problem with an autocracy is that they will not cease until any threat to their existence can be stamped out or controlled Yes, I already said I was afraid of the US Government.
The US government is a democracy. Please give peer-reviewed evidence it is not: I know US citizens are entitled to vote in an election.
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> they’ve for instance chosen to omit the fact that the Wuhan Virus originated in China. Any social media platforms using the term "Wuhan Virus" would be a bigger sign of governmental propaganda than the lack is.
Would you say the names West Nile, Zika, and MERS are also signs of propaganda?
It shouldn't matter whether you think Wuhan virus or COVID is the propaganda-name, a company just defaulting to the most common term for their market is not a useful sign of propaganda.
Using Tik Tok's Covid information as proof of propaganda is just looking at noise and pretending it's data.
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> with coastal access At a finer grain, looking at the top 20 CSAs[1], many are non-coastal, but to my guesstimates only 20% are not on a navigable river: 7 8'000'000 Dallas-Forth Worth 11 6'900'000 Atlanta–Athens-Clarke County–Sandy Springs (160 km to Columbus) 13 5'000'000 Phoenix-Mesa 17 3'600'000 Denver-Aurora (Boston-Worcester-Providence is almost as large as my entire country, and has far better water transport…
> Why not? While "Civilian aircraft and aircraft engines" probably takes a hit, the remaining US should continue to have its major exports: The US would lose all the nuclear weapons on the west coast in that deal, which would result in some exciting geopolitical changes. CalOreShington would have a bunch of ballistic missiles, nuclear subs, and long-range bombers. For the first time the US would have a potent, nuclea…
From personal experience, I'd say it's better to live in a non-nuclear[3] country, because the local economy can be directed to positive sum consumer and export goods instead of negative sum MAD. So if Colorado were to leave (with our already unlikely assumptions, yet more unlikely due to network[4] effects) I would recommend only doing so politically, allowing the US to continue with basing rights (following the model of the Rest Of The World).
and then there's the small matter of who takes responsibility for a large national debt...
[1] indeed, ever since the unpleasantries of the 1860s I believe it's US military doctrine to base people in regions other than the one they're from.
[2] specifically, I believe the US would commence hostilities well before losing Kitsap and San Diego, let alone Pearl Harbor (because as long as we're in cloud cuckoo land, I'd bet hawaiians, no matter their attitude towards the mainland or fondness for Las Vegas, would prefer being stuck with the west coast than with anyone east of Stockton, and they don't have any economic argument for complete independence.)
[3] as others in the thread have noted, there is a non-negligible chance that third parties would be willing to provide an umbrella. My democracy has managed to survive the last 500 years with a policy of "we're no threat to you unless you cross our border" and indeed we even apologised to the last country we invaded (they replied no hard feelings).
[4] with navigable waterways (and some credible way to deal with harbour mining and general naval interdiction?) money will get one through times of no food better than food will get one through times of no money. Airlifts, as Qatar has discovered, are expensive.
Edit: found GDP by CSA, population was a good proxy (but inland goes up to 25% of top 20)
https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/drilldown.cfm?reqid=70&stepnum=4...
inland CSAs
7 Dallas-Fort Worth 0,5 T
11 Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs 0,4 T
15 Denver-Aurora 0,3 T
16 Phoenix-Mesa 0,3 T
20 Charlotte-Concord 0,2 T
so top 15 CSAs with navigable access only represent about 11 T of GDP, and if they (and I doubt the following would change much if we added coastal CSA's below the top 20) went their own ways the remaining US would presumably still be globally in 2nd place, with an economy roughly double that of the japanese.Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
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Bytedance is not owned by the Chinese government. It's an independent company, as is TikTok.
> As with many Chinese companies, the company has an internal Chinese Communist Party committee serving the party members among the employees, with vice president Zhang Fuping serving as its Party Committee Secretary. It also has a strategic partnership with the Ministry of Public Security for the ministry's public relations efforts, and joint ventures with a state-run publisher in Beijing and media firm in Shanghai.…
It says right there in your link that Bytedance is legally a Cayman's Islands company.
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>It's a Chinese company, they have privledges, not rights. Neither Bytedance nor TikTok are Chinese companies. It's true that Bytedance has buildings in Beijing, and a Chinese app (Taotiao) that is a Chinese subsidiary, but Bytedance is a Cayman's Islands company and TikTok doesn't even have servers inside China. For purposes of the Chinese National Intelligence Law compelling the company to share user information wi…
Bytedance is a Chinese company. Look up VIE (variable interest entity) or "Sina Structure". Essentially the Cayman islands topco is a fudge that the Chinese government tolerates to facilitate non Chinese investment in Chinese companies, something which is not normally allowed. The structure is very common among Chinese tech companies. Instead of controlling the company by owning a majority of its shares, the "owners"…
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Yeah, a $30 CPA isn't anything suspicious when there's upsell to a $20/mo subscription.
on what planet do millionsn of teens have $20/mo to spend on tiktok
A 2 yr product lifecycle would be a $240 CLV meaning you just need 12% conversion rate to break even, which you don't even care about in growth mode. $30 CPA is more than reasonable.
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*Subsidiaries. Bytedance has TaoTiao inside China, which shares TaoTaio user information with the CCP, the same way that Apple has Apple Guizhou, which shares iCloud data with the CCP. Neither Bytedance, or it's TikTok subsidiary, exist inside China, so there's no reason to suspect data sharing with the CCP without evidence.
You probably don't know how CCP branches work. All government branches, state owned companies, and major internet companies in China have CCP branches. Especially in the government and state own companies, the head of the CCP branch is actually the real person in charge.
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Either TikTok has right to operate in US or it does not. Is there any letter or terms or conditions of the US law that is prohibiting TikTok from operating? I don't think so. Also it has been allowed to operate for years till now, What sudden change of circumstance has occurred that banning it is imperative now? The government has not made any explanation. Ideal solution in this case would be to define a data securit…
It's not nearly as back and white as you would appear to like it to be. I do not see any laws being broken or US Citizen rights being trodden on with this ban. They're not even setting a new precedent with this ban. It is completely within the executive branches power to ban a foreign corporation for national security reason, reasons that may not be completely clear to the public. Though I think the reason is very cl…
They are though. The powers of executive order used for the ban are specifically limited to prevent any banning or stopping the information flow of any forms of media and communication.
i.e. The U.S. President can't use executive orders to circumvent the first amendment.
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TikTok is not ran or based in the US. I don't get why you think they would be protected under US laws like a US based corporation. Congress and Executive branch can easily ban foreign companies from operating in the US and there is a long history of them doing so.
Some TikTok users are in the US, and taking a service away from them should happen under US law.
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Yes but if you are an adult I can't coerce you into voting for a party of my choice. Children can be coerced. Children can be used as pawns. Schools can turn into political arenas. There are so many things that can go wrong by introducing politics at that young age. It is rare for adults to fall for peer pressure as you would have matured by then. Kids and teens can easily succumb to peer pressure. You might want to…
By that logic we should ban churches because some of them indoctrinate children who grow up to be single issue voters.
Giving them voting rights at such a young age will just make them all into activists or worse politicians. I see so many child activists who are just being exploited by their parents for making a quick buck. Most of what these children utter on TV is just stuff that have been told by their parents. If you talk to them outside of all this media circus you'll know that they are innocent and don't have much idea about the World except for doing what they are told.
This is what happens when you engage children in politics/activism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUhKpnv8-k
They are just not prepared for it. The moment you go off script the cookie crumbles. But keep aside politics/activism for a moment. Do you think it is fair that a child has to go through this sort of exploitation for what should be adults coming out with solutions? Because let us face it. This is exploitation. The child needs to be in school studying and enjoying with friends. She will never get back this youthful life again. We as adults are literally using children as props to settle our political issues. This is immoral and not right.