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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#582Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s the typical measure of rubes. I still remember the “freedom fries” and WMD hysteria. Back then a certain group had to be bombed back into the Stone Age. Today, that same group is being oppressed by the evil totalitarian regime which is also on the verge of destroying all of your freedoms. In both cases, a collection of plugged in, “informed” citizens, whose brain matter has been shaped by a constant drip of stat…
So our freedoms are not actually under threat? Not even the freedom to use TikTok, I guess, despite of the US government trying to ban it? Everything is fine!
Have you not learned yet that some freedoms are not really freedoms? :D
If it’s not in the brochure, it’s not on offer.
Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#583Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but seem to vary between people and are smaller than first thought, Papies says. She and others think that social priming might survive as a set of more modest, yet more rigorous, findings. You linked the full statement, and then focused in on only two words of that statement for your comment. What about the linked article makes us think that this is something that the US government has the authority to step in and…
I am not talking about dangers of US government banning some app or service. I am talking about about dangers of the very existence of that service ruled by what I consider quite unfriendly people. Unfriendly not to me personally, but to the way US operates. As usual, official justification and real reasons may be very different. The "security threat" may be direct and indirect. I tried to present a picture of indire…
> I am talking about about dangers of the very existence of that service
My point is that the indirect threat to the security of the US through priming is statistically tenuous, that there's little reproducible evidence even from optimistic researchers that priming works on a significant scale (or at all), and that even if the threat is real it's likely much smaller than the threat posed by this kind of over-regulation and government overreach. My point is that a threat this vague doesn't warrant this kind of discussion in the first place.
The link you posted optimistically describes a very limited, focused effect that is still actively being debated. Is there any accepted scientific evidence, at all, that priming in a 60 second TikTok video would have a larger effect on the average person's politics than seeing friends share fake news on Facebook?
Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#584Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some TikTok users are in the US, and taking a service away from them should happen under US law.
I think the information age has really pushed the limits of what we find acceptable to leave to independent choice in democratic societies. Freedoms in democracy are being abused left-and-right to highlight specific weaknesses fundamental a democracy's healthy function. When it comes to TikTok, frankly I'm not sure if a foreign business under the thumb of the CCP is more or less a threat than businesses operating in…
> frankly I'm not sure if a foreign business under the thumb of the CCP is more or less a threat than businesses operating in our own country abusing the same freedoms for personal gain.
Now of course the US government can (and indeed has) abused its own citizens for political manipulation too, via these tools. But the key difference is that the US government is (at least, in theory, and I agree more needs to be done here...) accountable to US citizens. The CCP is not. The CCP isn't even accountable to its own citizens, both in theory and in practice, which is exactly why many are against the CCP's modus operandi in the first place.
> I think the information age has really pushed the limits of what we find acceptable to leave to independent choice in democratic societies. Freedoms in democracy are being abused left-and-right to highlight specific weaknesses fundamental a democracy's healthy function.
Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#585Welcome to the Red Scare 2.0, comrade. TikTok is under fire because it’s a piece of software from China. We’ve turned a blind eye to hardware security and the fact that the iPhone and nearly every other mainstream consumer device is manufactured in China and likely contain backdoors far more sinister than userland applications can muster. We can not and should not have such double standards when it comes to foreign p…
> Western governments are far more sinister than China Oh really, I didn't know my country was doing things way worse then putting people in concentration camps, harvesting organs, putting people in prison because they had group sex, putting people in prison for years because they legally protested etc. Thanks for the information! But just for future discussions when I try to talk down these pesky people that try to…
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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also TikTok hasn't violated US laws, then where is the case for banning them? Banning something that is perfectly legal seems absurd to do in our legal system. Also US government hasn't made a specific claim of any imminent security threat posed by TikTok. From a data security point of view the expert opinion seems to be that there isn't a clear cut case for singling out and banning tiktok. The ban is therefore undou…
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2020 society is based on reactions without ideological consistency, like social media has trained us to.
Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#587Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the problem is that if/when it happens, it will be "undetectable". The issue is that if we have a polarized party-over-country political environment (which we do currently have), there is absolutely no guarantee a) that there will be a consensus about that the problem is real, that it matters, and that it should be addressed, b) that the party in power doesn't stand to benefit from interference and ther…
It seems to me that democratic destabilization in US is already in full swing and has nothing to do with TikTok subtly changing youth opinions.
The issue isn't whether TikTok is currently doing it or no, its whether this is a national security risk in the future, which is absolutely is. I think he's an idiot and he's using the issue to distract from Russian interference, but its a concern that if you only wait to address this _after_ its already a problem, it will already be unaddressable for the reasons enumerated in my comment.
Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#588Earlier quoted context omitted.
US companies operating in China need to follow Chinese laws, including those on censorship. Google etc are blocked because they are hosted outside China, and are not willing to cooperate in China. What I find bizarre about the Tiktok ban is that they are being banned essentially on executive whim: as far as I can tell, there are no concrete allegations, much less evidence, that they're violating any US laws.
If Bytedance was violating U.S. laws a “ban” would not be necessary to prevent them from continuing to do so. The executive order is based on a concrete factual assertion: “the spread in the United States of mobile applications developed and owned by companies in the People’s Republic of China (China) continues to threaten the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States” [1]. The injunction we…
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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#589Earlier quoted context omitted.
Taking this as true, are you suggesting we should have, instead of our (expanding on what I think you're saying) "non-democratic capitalist ologopoly", have our important companies and institutions be run the by the CCP? Two wrongs don't make a right. Work to improve our system rather than using our failures to normalize CCP oppression and violence.
If the point is to send a message about normalizing the CCP, then Apple's gotta go too.
Yes, there's a lot we need to be doing to put pressure on the CCP that we aren't currently doing, and it also doesn't need to be binary. There's a difference between Apple doing business in China, and a Chinese company doing business in the US. China has considerable influence on Apple, but not as much as it does on TikTok. Tim Cook's family isn't at risk of jail if he criticizes the CCP.
Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores
#590Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also TikTok hasn't violated US laws, then where is the case for banning them? Banning something that is perfectly legal seems absurd to do in our legal system. Also US government hasn't made a specific claim of any imminent security threat posed by TikTok. From a data security point of view the expert opinion seems to be that there isn't a clear cut case for singling out and banning tiktok. The ban is therefore undou…
TikTok is not ran or based in the US. I don't get why you think they would be protected under US laws like a US based corporation. Congress and Executive branch can easily ban foreign companies from operating in the US and there is a long history of them doing so.
It sure does