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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by mdorazio »

ckocagil wrote: post #216
mdorazio wrote: post #164

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This is a poor argument, including the sarcasm. Pornhub is a Canadian company. Last time I checked, Canada was still a democratic country with an ideology roughly aligned with that of the US.

Last time I checked Saudi Arabia was a fundamentalist, religious kingdom with many known inhumane acts and practices. Yet they control a ton of US companies.

And I've always been in favor of ending that situation and US relations with them entirely. Not sure what your point is here.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by abfan1127 »

lowiqengineer wrote: post #482
publicola1990 wrote: post #362

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Also TikTok hasn't violated US laws, then where is the case for banning them? Banning something that is perfectly legal seems absurd to do in our legal system. Also US government hasn't made a specific claim of any imminent security threat posed by TikTok. From a data security point of view the expert opinion seems to be that there isn't a clear cut case for singling out and banning tiktok. The ban is therefore undou…

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ummm... what do you have for that basis? or are your quotes there for sarcasm...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by vorpalhex »

whatshisface wrote: post #541
thursday0987 wrote: post #539

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thats not how tariffs work, thats not how international trade works, and it has never worked that way. there is no right to any goods or services provided by a foreign entity. none. prove me wrong by providing a link to a law, treaty, or other official rule that says otherwise. i'll wait.

Let's just think practically about what could happen. Suppose the chief executive has a grudge against an individual person. He or she bans them from owning anything produced overseas. Legal or not, I think we can agree that shouldn't be possible.

That has nothing to do with the current case.

You violate US law by spying on citizens, you get banned. As a foreign company you don't get a right to a trial.

The US Government does not have a relationship with your users - you do. If you get banned, your users have a right to sue you to recoup their costs. The US Government does not owe your users anything.

If you get banned from the supermarket for not wearing a mask, the supermarket doesn't owe anything to whoever you were making dinner for.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by colejohnson66 »

daniellarusso wrote: post #515
nemetroid wrote: post #490

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And? Should there be a threshold of popularity above which you are not allowed to operate at all, but less popular apps are fine?

I like that idea.

If the claim is TikTok exfiltrating data on US citizens, then popularity shouldn’t matter.

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Post by jacobush »

braythwayt wrote: post #532
blackoil wrote: post #171

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By extension, you recommend Europe, India and most countries should block fb, twitter because this is too much power to let US have over them.

Never mind Europe. As a Canadian, I question how we can permit Facebook to act as a massive conduit for official American propaganda like QAnon. If it's a national security issue for Tiktok to operate in the US, it's a national security issue for facebook to operate in Canada.

It is. FB would never have been tolerated during the Cold War, not even in Europe. We let our guard down after the Cold War, and mostly for the better, but some corporations are exploiting the openness. Everyone on Earth needs to find a way to deal with these companies or continue being exploited.

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Post by ardy42 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #546
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

In that post, Ben writes: > It feels like we're talking past each other. I completely agree! I do feel like you and I and Ben (even after reading Ben's post) are still talking past each other. I am completely lost at the point where you say "A and B, therefore C, the US should ban TikTok." What is it about the combination of success and external control that means TikTok should be banned? Ben wrote: > This [video-bas…

> Twitter is a popular information-sharing social platform, and there are Chinese actors on it, but this argument isn't extended to suggest that it be banned, either. But somehow, a platform that does both must not be allowed to exist? I don't get it.

Is it that hard to understand? Twitter and Facebook will at least try to make a genuine effort to root out and ban "coordinated inauthentic activity" by the Chinese government (and if they don't they could probably be compelled to do so): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/23/facebook-.... A Chinese-owned TikTok won't: either it won't do it at all, or it will make a fake/bad-faith effort.

Similarly, Twitter and Facebook may gather a lot of non-public user data, but there's pretty much no chance that any of that data will be willingly handed over to Chinese intelligence.

It should be noted that Chinese intelligence is not exclusively after top secret government data: they're also interested in many kinds of mundane information that you might be surprised by that can be leveraged to get it: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/11/us/politics/trump-china-t....

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Post by jacobush »

FpUser wrote: post #443
stjohnswarts wrote: post #227

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He's talking about handing over information, not launching a "elect the next Manchurian candidate" campaign run by the NSA.

Then he'd completely missed my original point that was about practical inability to prevent that exact scenario - "elect the next Manchurian candidate campaign run by the NSA". I do not think juducial review will enter the picture here. I am not sure what practical legal mechanism is available to prevent such scenario. I guess it would run the risk of being exposed by some whistleblower but with the latest developmen…

At this point I have doubts about who employs the Manchurian candidates in the first place, people behind the big companies or the three letter agencies. There are revolving doors between them.

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Post by drcoopster »

shripadk wrote: post #456
miki123211 wrote: post #386

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The only reason Trump has been able to pull this off is the fact that minors can't vote. If you deny voting rights to a certain group of people, politicians just don't have to care about them at all. They can do things that hurt that group, and no one is going to hold them accountable. At this point, I believe we should stop discriminating based on age.

> At this point, I believe we should stop discriminating based on age. If the age of voting is lowered to 6 (as some have asked for: [1]) or even removed altogether what stops me from producing 5-10 kids and then having them vote for a political party that I support? That is 5-10 extra votes in just a decade. And if 1000 families do that, that would significantly tilt the outcome of an election. By the time they grow…

You are assuming that most adults have an inherent understanding of political issues, too. Most don't.

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Post by thesz »

danShumway wrote: post #517
thesz wrote: post #496

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Let me offer you other quote from different link [1] (Nature): "Equipped with more-rigorous statistical methods, researchers are finding that social-priming effects do exist, but seem to vary between people and are smaller than first thought, Papies says." [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03755-2 Effects do exist.

> but seem to vary between people and are smaller than first thought, Papies says. She and others think that social priming might survive as a set of more modest, yet more rigorous, findings. You linked the full statement, and then focused in on only two words of that statement for your comment. What about the linked article makes us think that this is something that the US government has the authority to step in and…

I am not talking about dangers of US government banning some app or service. I am talking about about dangers of the very existence of that service ruled by what I consider quite unfriendly people. Unfriendly not to me personally, but to the way US operates.

As usual, official justification and real reasons may be very different. The "security threat" may be direct and indirect. I tried to present a picture of indirect threat to the security of US.

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Post by jacobush »

jpkeisala wrote: post #374
bawolff wrote: post #325

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The part i dont get - zoom also has ties to China. Everyone focuses on tiktok which is kids making stupid videos, but zoom which almost certainly has massive amounts of highly sensitive info going through it, seems to raise very few eye brows comparatively.

Zoom never bruise Trumps eco.

Yeah, funny how you are the only one to mention this. People talk about legalities. Trump doesn't care about legalities.

He was pranked and wants to retaliate.

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