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Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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It sounds like the guy was being a jerk from the start. If so, his behaviour on the day and online should have consequences.

However, I have written negative reviews before and been harassed by the company concerned or had them flagged as inappropriate even though I always stick to facts that I could easily prove or opinions that are clearly stated as such.

As a result it always concerns me to see companies trying to manage their reviews so tightly. How many other negative reviews resulted in the customer being contacted and persuaded to change them?

I'm aware of Thailand's strict laws about political speech and criticising the monarchy. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I will always abide by them as it's not my business to say what Thailand laws should be like.

In light of this though, I'll be extra careful what I say when reviewing Thai hotels, and I will be careful to avoid this hotel in particular and continue to avoid hotels that seem to pay a bit too much attention to their Tripadvisor reviews. Hint: you're entitled to reply of course, but it looks a bit creepy if you reply to all of them.

In short, if we are to believe both sides of the story, the guy shouldn't have got away with this scot free, but the response seems heavy handed and doesn't exactly cover the hotel with glory.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#242

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How many places can a person reasonably travel to if they have to be conversational in the local language first?

If you can't visit a country without shouting at the locals in your own language and waving your hands at them, while acting like it's their problem you're just another dime a dozen ignorant asshole tourist, and not the VIP you think you are, then you shouldn't be visiting anywhere. And to save any more missing the point stereotypes about Italians or New Yorkers waving their hands at each other in completely differen…

Having the floor collapse under you and then being expected to pay for it seems like a situation where angry shouting and waving would not be considered inappropriate in many cultures.

On the other hand, some cultures may suppress even severe anger.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#243
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The hotel guest works as a teacher in Thailand.

Make it anonymous.

The screenshots that the hotel provided show that he made multiple Google accounts with his real name to repost the review.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#244

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> raising your voice and gesticulating in their culture is really frowned upon. Where do people not frown upon that? Would you like someone raising their voice and waving their arms around in front of you? > It can get pretty frustrating communicating with someone who doesn't understand. Did you try speaking their language?

New York? Boston?

Are you asking if I'm from New York or Boston because I wave my arms around when I speak?

No I'm from southern europe. ;) Where Bostonians and New Yorkers come from.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#245

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In Bangkok it was mainly tuk-tuks taking me to places I didn't want to go and many attempted scams (magicians, dealers in jewels, someone pretending to be police). In Chiangmai I had my worst couchsurfing experience, really unpleasant guy who I went to town with and was dependent on (he took me half an hour or so on the back of his motorcycle) and who got really drunk after I asked him to please stop drinking (becaus…

Honest question.. why do you go to countries like these ? To me it looks like the risk is not worth at all.. Is being in danger part of the attraction or people really underestimate the dangers of third world countries ?

Well for one Thailand has a lot of amazing attractions. Beautiful nature, really really good food for cheap, fun nightlife. Sure you get the odd scam or unpleasantness, but it can become a funny story.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#246

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In Bangkok it was mainly tuk-tuks taking me to places I didn't want to go and many attempted scams (magicians, dealers in jewels, someone pretending to be police). In Chiangmai I had my worst couchsurfing experience, really unpleasant guy who I went to town with and was dependent on (he took me half an hour or so on the back of his motorcycle) and who got really drunk after I asked him to please stop drinking (becaus…

Honest question.. why do you go to countries like these ? To me it looks like the risk is not worth at all.. Is being in danger part of the attraction or people really underestimate the dangers of third world countries ?

Tourism is huge in Thailand, so presumably it's not like people get mugged left and right. However, ‘tourist places’ anywhere do attract lots of pushy folks doing riskless swindles on easy targets who lose self-control right after landing.

It pays to know what you want, to have a permanent bitch-face and a habit of saying no to everything else.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#247
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Is it true in any first world countries? As far as I am aware publishing anything that is true is always fair game. The very definition of libel (and slander) is that something untrue has been published or said. I’m not aware of a first world/non-dictatorship that treats either libel or slander as a crime or where “it’s true” is not a defense [in a civil case]. This is a good article on the history of the issue: http…

Courts are not built to determine the truth, though, they're built to come to a verdict. In practice there are many countries that restrict the speech against the rich, including here in the US (ie the whole Peter Thiel/gawker debacle). I don't want to misstate the case, though, you are clearly much safer from these laws here in the US than in other ex british colonies. Also, what does the cold war alignment have to…

First, Second, and Third world country designations originated as US-aligned, Soviet-aligned, and non-aligned.

However, the meanings of these have changed from political designations to economic designationms.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#248

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Honest question.. why do you go to countries like these ? To me it looks like the risk is not worth at all.. Is being in danger part of the attraction or people really underestimate the dangers of third world countries ?

I had two run un with tugs on New York city. Family got robbed on Orlando, friends on San Francisco. My wife got scammed at London airport by the officers there.

I’ve had zero run-ins with thugs in NYC in my entire life. What the hell were you doing?

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#249
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"There are 3 main reasons that forced us to file a complaint – We are not suing him for just a single bad review: 1. He left fabricated stories on his reviews on TripAdvisor and Google that included xenophobic connotations, accusations of slavery and even comments that could mislead readers to associate our property with the Coronavirus. 2. He had been posting reviews roughly 1-2 weeks apart with obvious defamatory i…

Yet the worldwide spread of this news story has done a million times more damage than a few reviews could have. Smart, now people are talking about avoiding Thailand all together. If you want to be a tourist destination and at the same time threaten the freedom of your guests with such draconian laws, then you got a problem. I read years ago that an American woman in Pakistan was arrested for walking on the street we…

> now people are talking about avoiding Thailand all together

Or, they're talking about refusing uppity Americans.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#250
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Defamation is a very serious crime there. The hotel had hard evidence and, I presume, saying a hotel practices modern day slavery is very high up in the list. In light of that, it doesn't seem that preventive detention, which I assume was the case here, is that unreasonable.

There's realpolitik on the other side of this coin as well. The ongoing coup d'etat means that this isn't simply a matter of "follow local laws", but also a matter of "risk that this becomes a litmus test for the western world's orientation toward Thailand's new system of government". Cracking down on US tourists for speech violations is exactly the sort of thing hawkish senators in the US might latch onto. If that h…

> ongoing coup d'etat means

You know there was an election right? Is the government still questionable? Sure. But the coup is no longer in effect, there is an elected government.

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