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Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by lightgreen »

nkozyra wrote: post #255
lightgreen wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me rephrase. Too high or too low temperature environment can hurt people. People with a soldeing iron can hurt people. People putting other people in the fridge can hurt people. Just temperature is not something which can do anything to anyone. Capitalist companies, people living in capitalism, governments under capitalism, taxes and so on may be good or bad for people. But saying "capitalism does not give a shit…

I'm sorry but this still treats capitalism as some ridgid, immutable force. This is demonstrably untrue. We, today, have capitalism shaped by the will of the people. The degree to which we allow it to be shaped is the actual point of contention, not the malleability itself. I also find it unfortunate that you'd choose to represent such potential flexibility in the system as "meaningless socialist slogans." That makes…

> That makes it feel like you're not engaging in good faith with the central argument.

There was no argument besides that socialist slogan.

I could get arguments like:

Large companies are inefficient under capitalism, they provide less value than they take from the society.

or

Capitalism is a very inefficient system of distribution of goods and services.

But there were none.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by krebs_liebhaber »

Kapura wrote: post #16

I think this is indicative of the biggest problem we have had with social media: there is no legalism here, just "codes of conduct" that companies and users both willfully ignore. If your handle gets sold by some facebook employee to a rich kid in LA, what recourse do you have? I don't know what laws this would break (maybe some broad definition of fraud? I Am Not A Lawyer) so it's not like this person has a slam dun…

> I think this is indicative of the biggest problem we have had with social media: there is no legalism here, just "codes of conduct" that companies and users both willfully ignore.

This is a good thing! If Congress is given the task of creating "modern" Internet legislation, they're almost certainly going to fuck it up somehow. We got a taste of this when Orange Man threatened to nuke Section 230.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by asciident »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #142
asciident wrote: post #30

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While they do have power over users on their platform, they're voluntary applications that people choose to give control to for convenience and publicity. Unlike credit bureaus who actually ruin peoples' lives with their carelessness and you can't even opt out, social media apps are purely opt-in, and you don't get your wages garnished or bank accounts emptied or lose your ability to drive because of them. And while…

I’m with you to a degree, but if most anyone’s email account vanished, or worse was stolen, I’d be pretty confident guessing that they’re screwed. For more typical social media, losing a decade of pictures is pretty harmful. It’s not about the value of the @danny handle, it’s also about the account being gone. And the privacy issues if the new person got all the DMs and private info.

You're right that these things are devastating when they happen, but pre- social media, they happened all the time. Every year, half the people born in [year-21] lose their university email accounts (including their google drive, etc.) and eventually transfer to another email just fine. Before online identity, people lost their phone numbers and had to inform friends that they switched to a new one. You'd get the previous owner's texts, and have to tell them you just got that number. Or if you moved addresses and you would get the previous owner's mail, and the same would happen to you due to postal errors. People lost their pictures because of disk failure, fires, and other means, and would continue living happy and productive lives.

Post- social media, if people are backing up their data, then the problem is pretty much nil (chances that your social media account and your local storage both go kaput at the same time are pretty small).

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by newdude116 »

newdude116 wrote: post #240
Kapura wrote: post #16

I think this is indicative of the biggest problem we have had with social media: there is no legalism here, just "codes of conduct" that companies and users both willfully ignore. If your handle gets sold by some facebook employee to a rich kid in LA, what recourse do you have? I don't know what laws this would break (maybe some broad definition of fraud? I Am Not A Lawyer) so it's not like this person has a slam dun…

Lost your Instagram account? Dude, that is nothing. I lost my company in Shit-hole country Estonia and 20k with it. "I think this is indicative of the biggest problem we have had with social media: there is no legalism here" I think the concept of law does not go very far in Estonia.

Why the downvote?

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by nkozyra »

lightgreen wrote: post #271
nkozyra wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but this still treats capitalism as some ridgid, immutable force. This is demonstrably untrue. We, today, have capitalism shaped by the will of the people. The degree to which we allow it to be shaped is the actual point of contention, not the malleability itself. I also find it unfortunate that you'd choose to represent such potential flexibility in the system as "meaningless socialist slogans." That makes…

> That makes it feel like you're not engaging in good faith with the central argument. There was no argument besides that socialist slogan. I could get arguments like: Large companies are inefficient under capitalism, they provide less value than they take from the society. or Capitalism is a very inefficient system of distribution of goods and services. But there were none.

The argument is pretty clear to me: without holding corporate feet to the fire, we will suffer to varying degrees by their will.

If that's your definition of socialism, well, I'd argue that you do not actually know what socialism is.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by simias »

newdude116 wrote: post #275
newdude116 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lost your Instagram account? Dude, that is nothing. I lost my company in Shit-hole country Estonia and 20k with it. "I think this is indicative of the biggest problem we have had with social media: there is no legalism here" I think the concept of law does not go very far in Estonia.

Why the downvote?

Because it's unrelated to the topic at hand? If what you say is true then it's interesting but that's not really the place to discuss it.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by efreak »

mooreds wrote: post #106
Kapura wrote: post #16

I think this is indicative of the biggest problem we have had with social media: there is no legalism here, just "codes of conduct" that companies and users both willfully ignore. If your handle gets sold by some facebook employee to a rich kid in LA, what recourse do you have? I don't know what laws this would break (maybe some broad definition of fraud? I Am Not A Lawyer) so it's not like this person has a slam dun…

Maybe it is against the terms of service? So it'd be a violation of a contractual agreement? But no money changed hands, so not sure about that.

Contracts don't have to involve money, just something of value on both sides.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by jstanley »

zamadatix wrote: post #191
nabla9 wrote: post #138

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If the new owner is imposter trying to be the old owner, it would be identity theft and fraud. If it's just giving the handle to someone else there is nothing. If you don't pay for a account, you don't usually own it unless there is something I'm missing. If you want to own your identity in the internet, get a website you own and don't rely on shady social-media networks that give you something free.

It's remarkably hard to actually "own" anything on the internet. The act of paying for something or not does not dictate what's your property - ASNs are leased, IPs are leased, domains are leased, connections are leased and you'll need to either pay or use someone else's to host something on the internet. The closest you could come is legacy IPv4 space and not rely on traditional infrastructure such as DNS. Most regi…

Interestingly you can "own" an Onion address for a Tor hidden service quite easily. You know the private key and nobody else does, so nobody can take your address away from you.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by mkl »

hyperdimension wrote: post #221
KaiserPro wrote: post #39

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Just because some vacuous air bag says it, doesn't make it true. Instagram is basically the school playground, but sadly unlike in real life, people can make a career from being "playground" popular.

> vacuous air bag Colloquialism: 100% understood. Reality: 0% possible...unless this 'air bag' is full of 'empty'. In other news, always be careful breaking the neck of a CRT...you'll let the vacuum out!

"Vacuous" doesn't mean vacuum: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vacuous
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