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Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by krebs_liebhaber »

asciident wrote: post #30
orangefarm wrote: post #10

The arbitrariness with which these companies rule over our digital lives infuriates me more from month to month. We do our best to fight dictators in the physical world but somehow accept them in the digital realm.

While they do have power over users on their platform, they're voluntary applications that people choose to give control to for convenience and publicity. Unlike credit bureaus who actually ruin peoples' lives with their carelessness and you can't even opt out, social media apps are purely opt-in, and you don't get your wages garnished or bank accounts emptied or lose your ability to drive because of them. And while…

> social media apps are purely opt-in, and you don't get your wages garnished or bank accounts emptied or lose your ability to drive because of them.

... Until you say something verboten, that is.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by krebs_liebhaber »

bergstromm466 wrote: post #45
asciident wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While they do have power over users on their platform, they're voluntary applications that people choose to give control to for convenience and publicity. Unlike credit bureaus who actually ruin peoples' lives with their carelessness and you can't even opt out, social media apps are purely opt-in, and you don't get your wages garnished or bank accounts emptied or lose your ability to drive because of them. And while…

> they're voluntary applications ...in an unfree economic system (patents and IP give monopolies) with a black box money system (money is an enclosed protocol). Cooperative Open Value Networks are the future. [1] [1] http://mikorizal.org/

Here's a prediction for the future: This will be the first and last time I hear about "Cooperative Open Value Networks".

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by easytiger »

I had my I instagram account stolen. I think it's not an employee but a flaw in their account recovery process that lets 3rd parties change the email.

Only way to resolve it was to click the link in the email notification for change of email address.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by Sebb767 »

lightgreen wrote: post #219
Sebb767 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in some way. But sole complaints are simply not hurting FB. How many of the people complaining would've used Instagram otherwise or even go as far as closing their account? I doubt the can even zoom in their Dashboard far enough to see the impact. The real problem here is that for a single account, you're far more dependent on Instagram than Instagram is on you.

> you're far more dependent on Instagram than Instagram is on you Same way, if you have a Ford car, you depend on Ford much more than Ford on you. > But sole complaints are simply not hurting FB. Same as complaints on bad Ford service don't really hurt Ford. Anyway, that has nothing to do with the fact that users of Facebook are not paying Facebook. > There is very little incentive to make their users happy when thei…

> Same way, if you have a Ford car, you depend on Ford much more than Ford on you.

But the latter is contractually obligated to help you to some extend due to warranty etc.. Also, Ford has far less lock-in than Instagram.

> > There is very little incentive to make their users happy when their users are not paying for the service > > This quite is very incorrect.

I'm not disagreeing with you here; I'm disagreeing with your point that users are (far) more important than advertisers. Single-user complaints or unhappiness tends to be ignored, I doubt the same is true for advertisers. The recent Reddit changes, for example, show this very clearly (to be fair: I don't have an FB-example as I don't follow it in any way).

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by lightgreen »

tsimionescu wrote: post #253
lightgreen wrote: post #210

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Let me rephrase. Too high or too low temperature environment can hurt people. People with a soldeing iron can hurt people. People putting other people in the fridge can hurt people. Just temperature is not something which can do anything to anyone. Capitalist companies, people living in capitalism, governments under capitalism, taxes and so on may be good or bad for people. But saying "capitalism does not give a shit…

Well, socialism (in its original form, not USSR-style "socialism") for example is an economic system that, by its definition, cares about people and their wellness. Capitalism, in contrast, is an economic system that, by its definition, doesn't care about people or their wellness. Just like democracy is a political system that cares about the people, whereas monarchy is a political system that doesn't. If you want to…

I really don't like these oversimplifications.

It is like saying, railroads don't care about people, railroads are only interested in trains moving fast and reliably.

Or it is like saying, doctors (even under socialism) don't care about people, they only care about getting their salaries.

Smarter people make one step further concluding that fast and reliable trains are beneficial to people, doctors heal sick people, and capitalism generally make people wealthier.

> capitalism is an economic system whose defined goals have nothing to do with people's wellness (they are profit for the owners of capital, and perhaps innovation)"

Adam Smith' first book called "The Wealth of the Nations" not "The Wealth of the Richest People in Power").

I would not go that far to define a "goal" of capitalism. It is just a system of rules and principles, there's no goal in it.

And these rules and principles are profitable for both capital owners (they can grow their capital), and for regular dudes (who can be paid better because market provides them with more opportunities to pick different jobs and higher quality jobs and who can use cheaper good and services).

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by krebs_liebhaber »

orangefarm wrote: post #10

The arbitrariness with which these companies rule over our digital lives infuriates me more from month to month. We do our best to fight dictators in the physical world but somehow accept them in the digital realm.

You can just... stop using their services. I deleted my Reddit and Twitter accounts a year or two ago, and have missed out on absolutely nothing of importance. Digital "life" is totally impoverished.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by skybrian »

zamadatix wrote: post #191
nabla9 wrote: post #138

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If the new owner is imposter trying to be the old owner, it would be identity theft and fraud. If it's just giving the handle to someone else there is nothing. If you don't pay for a account, you don't usually own it unless there is something I'm missing. If you want to own your identity in the internet, get a website you own and don't rely on shady social-media networks that give you something free.

It's remarkably hard to actually "own" anything on the internet. The act of paying for something or not does not dictate what's your property - ASNs are leased, IPs are leased, domains are leased, connections are leased and you'll need to either pay or use someone else's to host something on the internet. The closest you could come is legacy IPv4 space and not rely on traditional infrastructure such as DNS. Most regi…

I wonder how Let's Encrypt and other certificate authorities handle disputes over domain transfers?

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by uniqueid »

abalone wrote: post #228
Kapura wrote: post #16

I think this is indicative of the biggest problem we have had with social media: there is no legalism here, just "codes of conduct" that companies and users both willfully ignore. If your handle gets sold by some facebook employee to a rich kid in LA, what recourse do you have? I don't know what laws this would break (maybe some broad definition of fraud? I Am Not A Lawyer) so it's not like this person has a slam dun…

You’re assuming the attacker was telling the truth about “knowing someone” at Facebook. More likely they figured out how to bypass 2FA (e.g. sim swap, socially engineered a customer service account recovery workflow, etc.)

Yes, that's the simplest explanation. Not that Instagram is above giving an existing nobody's account to a VIP, but they're not going to do that without wiping its content, and notifying the nobody first.

Re: Someone has stolen my Instagram account

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Post by hdjdbtbgwjsn »

ipsum2 wrote: post #209
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #129

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“Spamming?” If repeated complaints about an issue the company won’t resolve is what we call spam now, I’m speechless.

Spamming the white hat security bug program won't get him an answer, because he's not reporting a security flaw.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming

I don't understand how he is 'spamming'.

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