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Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by yowlingcat »

user5994461 wrote: post #146
drpebcak wrote: post #113

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They were hoping to discourage him from asking for more. It’s always negotiable if the company wants to hire you, they just typically don’t want you to feel that way.

It's only negotiable because he got an offer from the next FAANG. Recruiters are not going to assume that you can enter any FAANG at the highest possible level. It was incredibly lucky from the OP to get 2 offers and at the same time.

> It was incredibly lucky from the OP to get 2 offers and at the same time.

Not sure I agree there. I think it could be a deliberate way to engineer the process to create a leverage which most savvy candidates learn to do every time they're on the market. I've been doing this for the past 6 years. It just takes discipline, casting a wide net with a lot of firms in the initial interview process, and being thorough.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by erics32 »

sinsterizme wrote: post #204
swyx wrote: post #175

I don't have proof but have a sneaking suspicion that there's a certain amount of gaslighting in the negotiation advice genre - all of them read like the sky is the limit if you were just good enough at negotiation, but they mix in anecdata of people who actually got high 5-6 figure improvements, vs the more likely outcome of a don't get me wrong, this is still GREAT, and if all these pieces get you to do is negotiat…

And imagine how readers from other countries feel! Even in Canada, the salaries people throw around in this forum are almost not believable

Canadian here, just signed an offer (Not FAANG) for ~360k TC, 30k of that was negotiated up based on advice from this patio11 article. The opportunities are out there, especially now that companies are going remote.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by pnutjam »

repo001 wrote: post #218
pnutjam wrote: post #198

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That part is based on our previous 8 months of interactions. The way he treats me and the way he poo-poos any sort of discussion that implies people of color should have any problems with how things are done. He was also hired at a lower level and doesn't have my experience.

You sound bitter. You should be bitter. Your gut instinct is right and you probably are the least paid senior there. Not because you bring the least value but because you refuse to negotiate. Read the article, know your worth, and get outside your comfort zone.

I'm more surprised they hired him as a senior then whatever salary they gave him.

Why bother fighting over 4 or 5 percent when I can just get another job in afew months that pay 10 or 20 percent more? I don't see the value, and obviously they don't either. I'm more astounded by the number of people who stick around at jobs for years getting very little pay or loyalty in return.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by iso947 »

kkllkkllkk wrote: post #202
christophilus wrote: post #162

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Yeah. I left a good salary behind and went 1/2 time for a super small company this year. Great decision. Money isn’t everything.

That's easy to say after having had a high paying position for a while, which would give you the opportunity to build some financial stability. Never having had any stability, money plays a much larger role.

There was a comment a few weeks ago about someone saying how money doesn’t matter - his family doesn’t care if his networth aged 40 was $2m or $20m.

Many people on HN, after a decade or so of amazon salaries, seem to have no concept of the real world.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by paulryanrogers »

erics32 wrote: post #222
sinsterizme wrote: post #204

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And imagine how readers from other countries feel! Even in Canada, the salaries people throw around in this forum are almost not believable

Canadian here, just signed an offer (Not FAANG) for ~360k TC, 30k of that was negotiated up based on advice from this patio11 article. The opportunities are out there, especially now that companies are going remote.

Another anecdote. I'm in the Midwest of the US and you won't get that kind of comp without getting closer to the money than an IC.

But we can do this all day. Without larger studies or well run surveys it doesn't say much to those who aren't some combination of very talented, lucky, or well connected.

Edit: some, not done

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by etothepii »

yowlingcat wrote: post #172
etothepii wrote: post #168

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I'm very skeptical you can tell from an interview who's good. As we build out our salary comparison startup, peerwyse.com, I intend to openly offer properly shit salaries but great "everything else": some level of budgetary autonomy, a family first mentality, option to work three or four days a week for (50% or 75% of pay) and 25% of accumulated total comp on the day you leave us (whether by redundancy, better job or…

> As we build out our salary comparison startup, peerwyse.com, I intend to openly offer properly shit salaries but great "everything else" You don't see any irony in offering "shit salaries" trying to build a salary comparison startup? What do you intend to do if and when candidates use your very popular competitor levels.fyi (which, just so you know, they already do)?

Knowing what you're trading for what is, IMO, the important bit. I want to find the things you value more than money and offer those.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by etothepii »

pnutjam wrote: post #220
etothepii wrote: post #182

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I have even better news for you, peerwyse.com. See the salaries of your LinkedIn connections, and build peer groups of people with the same skills or job title as you.

But nothing about benefits costs. Have you considered including that?

We're thinking about doing, "loves their job" comparisons next.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by yowlingcat »

etothepii wrote: post #226
yowlingcat wrote: post #172

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> As we build out our salary comparison startup, peerwyse.com, I intend to openly offer properly shit salaries but great "everything else" You don't see any irony in offering "shit salaries" trying to build a salary comparison startup? What do you intend to do if and when candidates use your very popular competitor levels.fyi (which, just so you know, they already do)?

Knowing what you're trading for what is, IMO, the important bit. I want to find the things you value more than money and offer those.

I understand why that is your goal. What I don't understand is how you can credibly claim you offer something more valuable.

To actively hire at less than market range is to tacitly admit (whether intentionally or not) that you neither can afford nor adequately deploy the difference you're paying for. If that is the case, what kind of a message do you think that sends me about your serviceable obtainable market and your margins, your data quality, your growth, and how well you'll achieve competitive differentiation against your incumbents?

Don't take this the wrong way, but it almost appears as if you have resigned towards not being #1 in the space.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by phrotoma »

erics32 wrote: post #222
sinsterizme wrote: post #204

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And imagine how readers from other countries feel! Even in Canada, the salaries people throw around in this forum are almost not believable

Canadian here, just signed an offer (Not FAANG) for ~360k TC, 30k of that was negotiated up based on advice from this patio11 article. The opportunities are out there, especially now that companies are going remote.

At a Canadian company? A while ago I took a position with a US company who offered quite a bit more than the Canadian org I left. Would be happy to return to Canadian tech but haven't found shops where the money is comparable. TBF haven't been aggressively searching though, but curious about your experience.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by WJW »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #57
shuckles wrote: post #54

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In the case of Wealthfront, it may be a cultural matter as their CEO specifically believes that negotiating your offer is a negative indicator: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20130708151000-56725-offer-co...

Hilarious, a buyer telling sellers that the it’s in the seller’s best interest to not research their market price. In the finance sector nonetheless.

Of course the buyer tells them that, since if enough of them believe him he saves double digit percentages on payroll.
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