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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by UncleMeat »

koolba wrote: post #135
happytoexplain wrote: post #17

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I'm not sure declining to invite Alex Jones onto one's platform would qualify as forcing one's definition of "the one true way" on others. That's kind of an over-deep reading of that person's character.

They've been friends for over 20 years. The format of his show is a group of friends having an extended discussion. And love him or hate him, Alex Jones is one of the most interesting people on this planet. It'd be a disservice to his listeners to not invite him on the show.

> The format of his show is a group of friends having an extended discussion.

Sure. And that doesn't mean it is free from criticism. Rogan's format freely mixes experts, non-experts, and faux-experts in ways that contribute to an overall undervaluing of expertise in our culture. That's worth criticism even if he is friends with a conspiracy nut and wants to shoot the shit.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by willis936 »

manigandham wrote: post #123
tarsinge wrote: post #121

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This is a false dichotomy of filtering vs non-filtering. It’s sad that we are at that point in polarization where we can’t have a discussion or debate anymore and everything has to be either labeled or unfiltered. A knowledgeable host or other guest challenging a guest about a scientific fact is not having an agenda, it’s critical thinking than can lead to a healthy discussion and it used to be interesting for listen…

Joe Rogan is already in the middle. There are plenty of arguments and introspections where he strives to get more details and confirm the truth. He just doesn't do it all the time with every guest and topic; but that's a side-effect of having long casual meandering conversations so people get upset when it doesn't happen with intensity they want against the content they disagree about.

In order to be in the middle you need to express an opinion. He seems to not be anywhere on the political spectrum, and that annoys me. Why listen to a political nihilist host morally depraved, political extremist crackpots?

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by UncleMeat »

0xy wrote: post #3

Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly toxic and anti-science when campaigners for transgender rights attempt this kind of censorship and deplatforming? If people can't even question the science, treatments or effects on children then it feels like a political ideology is at the wheel. I've noticed this online in traditionally liberal-leaning forums. There's no room for nuance in discussion without being the re…

> If people can't even question the science, treatments or effects on children

People absolutely can do this. Research is done and presented in journals regularly without controversy. It is just that not all criticism is valid. "I'm criticizing the research" is not an invincible shield that one can hide behind. The research must be methodologically sound and dispassionate. The specific transphobic guests that Rogan has brought on have not done this kind of research.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by manigandham »

willis936 wrote: post #142
manigandham wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan is already in the middle. There are plenty of arguments and introspections where he strives to get more details and confirm the truth. He just doesn't do it all the time with every guest and topic; but that's a side-effect of having long casual meandering conversations so people get upset when it doesn't happen with intensity they want against the content they disagree about.

In order to be in the middle you need to express an opinion. He seems to not be anywhere on the political spectrum, and that annoys me. Why listen to a political nihilist host morally depraved, political extremist crackpots?

In the context of this thread, being in the middle means he neither accepts everything blindly nor argues every single point, but questions refutes topics where he's knowledgeable or curious about while letting the conversation flow freely. It produces the greatest insight into how the guests think and what they really believe.

Rogan has expressed many strong opinions and has changed those opinions over the years. He's definitely not a nihilist and very clearly leans left on most issues with a few conservative points regarding individualistic rights and personal freedom. He also hosts many interesting people from many disciplines that I've learned a lot from.

It seems like you've never actually listened to any episodes and your comment represents the ignorant and shallow views that people accuse the JRE show of having.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by manigandham »

UncleMeat wrote: post #139
manigandham wrote: post #34

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Do you instantly know the truth in every conversation? Do you argue every point or do you let the topics flow naturally? Joe Rogan is no different. He's not an interviewer but just a guy who has long conversations. That's why many guests are his close friends, and also why people are eager to be guests in the first place and talk for hours. The long-form uncritical nature is what made the show popular and gives you a…

But he chooses his guests. You can’t say he exercises no editorial control over the content of the show because he just lets the conversation flow. He chose to have Alex Jones on.

I didn't say that, only that he doesn't limit the conversation. Of course he chooses his guests, and I choose whether to listen or not.

And in case you didn't know, Joe Rogan has been personal friends with Alex Jones since the 90s. To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by catmistake »

verylittlemeat wrote: post #97
throwaway33339 wrote: post #74

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Leaving aside the usual quip about HN being an endless source of entertainment when it comes to attempting to comprehend basic concepts in biology that they weren't taught in high school, I'm wondering about something. What's with the propensity for the typical HNer, and the tech demographic in general, to subscribe to the whole alpha/beta charade in the first place? Your average programmer isn't usually a bodybuilde…

Isn't the self help section one of the largest in the bookstore? I don't see any great mystery - cults of personality, money, power, genius - aspirational culture. As far as we know haven't those things always been part of human nature? You can put a negative spin on it and call it self-loathing or fetishism but for some people it's motivation. The HN bubble is real and it's easy to be derisive but the OP you replied…

Did you notice GP's hasty generalization wrapped in a straw man? Not to mention the implied ad hominem. Also, the false equivalence of macho = alpha. GP's argument is fallacy upon fallacy, and thus weak. FWIW, I was sincere, and GP is somewhat of a ridiculing bully that took it off the rails. I was not suggesting Rogan was a monkey... he is a man. With evolution, I was suggesting the reasons for which macho is attractive. Is GP saying the the meanest monkey didn't produce the most offspring? And that it was the most sensitive monkey? I can't make heads or monkey tails of it.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by burgerboy »

willis936 wrote: post #142
manigandham wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan is already in the middle. There are plenty of arguments and introspections where he strives to get more details and confirm the truth. He just doesn't do it all the time with every guest and topic; but that's a side-effect of having long casual meandering conversations so people get upset when it doesn't happen with intensity they want against the content they disagree about.

In order to be in the middle you need to express an opinion. He seems to not be anywhere on the political spectrum, and that annoys me. Why listen to a political nihilist host morally depraved, political extremist crackpots?

You're fucked

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by Reedx »

tarsinge wrote: post #121
Reedx wrote: post #90

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Well said. People are so used to shows and popular voices pushing agendas that it seems they're flummoxed when one isn't doing that. Apparently under the impression that Rogan is endorsing everything his guests say and that his listeners just blindly absorb/repeat. But he isn't pushing an agenda, isn't telling you what to think, doesn't filter by ideology. He's just having conversations with people that he thinks are…

This is a false dichotomy of filtering vs non-filtering. It’s sad that we are at that point in polarization where we can’t have a discussion or debate anymore and everything has to be either labeled or unfiltered. A knowledgeable host or other guest challenging a guest about a scientific fact is not having an agenda, it’s critical thinking than can lead to a healthy discussion and it used to be interesting for listen…

Yes, and Rogan would fall into the healthy part of that spectrum. People who say he's totally passive or unchallenging aren't actually familiar with the show - they're just echoing a tired tribal talking point.

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Post by ryathal »

donmcronald wrote: post #42

I’ve never really watched Joe Rogan and haven’t followed the current controversy, but I was surprised when Spotify signed his big deal because I knew enough to know he was polarizing. Did Spotify know what they were buying?

They knew. People like polarizing, that's why Howard Stern got an absurd pay check to go to XM way back.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by BTCOG »

What is most scary to me about all the recent talk about Joe Rogan is that many commenters against him as a human being obviously don't know much or anything about him, but that they wish to censor him for some reason. I also question like the article, "Why?"

Are you threatened by Joe Rogan being a kind man and having his own podcast? Why is there so much modern wish to censor someone's good time and speech if you don't agree with them, and to get so enraged about nothing?

Joe Rogan deserves what he has accomplished, if you don't like him don't listen to him. Don't comment about him if you haven't listened to 100+ hours of his podcasts as you don't even know what you're talking about. You do not even understand what you are arguing about at that point, you just decided to at a whim take a harmful stance. The world needs more love, and the world absolutely needs more good people like Joe Rogan.

There are many guests who may be deemed controversial and not everyone will agree with everyone. It used to be that if you didn't like someone, you may say you don't and you move on. The entire pitchfork party campaign aimed at people you vaguely don't like, or even strongly dislike is a new thing in my eyes signaling a larger problem of too much hate and absent love. It's very sad that someone would even take several hours total of their time to constantly put others down they disagree with at all. It's not your fight. Go do something you like and let others have enjoyment. If you wish to be successful and lift yourself up at any point in your life, stop being someone putting out so much negative energy towards others. Be well.

Joe Rogan isn't harming you. Go do what you like. Listen to who you like, but be very careful to have an open mind and listen to all sides of these arguments.This is how we form our own opinions. The world would not be a nice place if everyone had to have the same ideals and opinions. The negatives I see constantly driven towards Joe always sound like they're teeming with unhealthy hatred and a wish for censorship.

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