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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by moltar »

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

To me that’s the main feature, and not a bug.

I want raw and unfiltered content.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by dilyevsky »

happytoexplain wrote: post #17
dilyevsky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

I'm not sure declining to invite Alex Jones onto one's platform would qualify as forcing one's definition of "the one true way" on others. That's kind of an over-deep reading of that person's character.

I haven’t watched anything he did since the Waking Life time so it was interesting to see the downward trajectory there. I hate twitter and other “social” networks with a passion so jre and couple other independent voices are my only window into these sort of cultural phenomenons

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by alexashka »

The same reason Howard Stern ridiculed podcasters - 'the media' is threatened by anyone who isn't part of 'the media' but can take a chunk of their audience away.

Joe Rogan's podcast is not about politics, the only people upset with a dude who likes to tell jokes and has a sensible set of opinions, are people who don't like anyone who has a set of opinions that happens to differ from theirs on subjects they 'deeply care about'.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by manigandham »

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Do you instantly know the truth in every conversation? Do you argue every point or do you let the topics flow naturally? Joe Rogan is no different. He's not an interviewer but just a guy who has long conversations. That's why many guests are his close friends, and also why people are eager to be guests in the first place and talk for hours.

The long-form uncritical nature is what made the show popular and gives you a chance to really see how someone thinks and speaks. It's a rare thing in the world of quick soundbites and prepared presentations. What you do with the information is up to you. Judge it, ignore it, research it, refute it - but that's for you to do.

Also for all the claims of anti-intellectualism, the show has introduced me to more interesting guests of all kinds than anything else.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by freshhawk »

dilyevsky wrote: post #9
Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

Me too, that's why when someone tries to feed me bullshit, like Joe Rogan has many times, I decide to ignore them, because they are untrustworthy and misinforming me. And I happily share that information with others, because that's the nice thing to do.

That's what people who don't need their hand held do.

And if you didn't write Joe Rogan off a long time ago then, I hate to tell you, you do still need some hand holding apparently.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by gilrain »

eloff wrote: post #14
0xy wrote: post #3

Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly toxic and anti-science when campaigners for transgender rights attempt this kind of censorship and deplatforming? If people can't even question the science, treatments or effects on children then it feels like a political ideology is at the wheel. I've noticed this online in traditionally liberal-leaning forums. There's no room for nuance in discussion without being the re…

I agree, I've got nothing against transgender people. I've got a problem with transgender activists going after people like J.K. Rowling, and trying to deplatform her, for her completely reasonable opinions. Fortunately in her case, she's too successful to deplatform, no publishing company is that stupid to turn her away. I'm also deeply horrified what's happening to young girls especially where they are deciding the…

Wow dude, being trans is not a "contagion of the mind". This is wildly and dangerously hateful.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by dqv »

Kednicma wrote: post #7

"liberal" is too wide of a brush, basically; most folks are liberal (and also conservative!) and so the label brings in too many folks. Rogan's further to the left than the "liberal" centrist media; if it were not for all of the "signaling" that he does, like being a person who enjoys MMA, then he would be branded as a "socialist" just like his guests Bernie Sanders and Andrew Yang. Ten words or less to answer the he…

The article makes this distinction. There are people who have liberal beliefs and people who are embedded in liberal culture. That liberal culture is directed by the liberal intelligentsia.

And I think your suggestion that liberal intelligentsia and the legacy media aren't intertwined is unfounded.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by catmistake »

stolenmerch wrote: post #4

I think Joe Rogan is so popular because he openly espouses ideas that MANY people feel and believe. It almost has to be the case. Basically, I think he believes that everyone should be free to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone -- unless they are trying to hurt each other in a fight, which is where the trans debate he's had is born from. It's a sort of "liberaltarian" approach that holds a lot of…

I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there.

FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socialism.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by Barrin92 »

alexashka wrote: post #28
Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

What are you comparing Joe Rogan's 'toxic sludge' to? Let's have a list of programming that's excellent by your standards that also has millions of listeners for each episode for comparison.

I don't listen to that many podcasts. Tyler Cowen has an excellent podcast called Conversations with Tyler, Russ Roberts is a long time podcaster/blogger with a focus on economics, Lex Fridman has a good science/compsci focused podcast and Sean Carroll's Mindscape as well as Ezra Klein's podcast I think have almost always high quality, fairly diverse guests.

I'm well aware none of these have the audience that Joe Rogan has, but I find that a weird metric for comparing quality or how informative something is.

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