Rogan is an individualist. By this I mean he supports telling people to take control of their own lives, better themselves, hear different ideas and make their own opinions. Enjoying combat sports such as Boxing, MMA, and Football means you approve of people making their own conscious decision to potentially scramble their brain. I also enjoy these sports, and if someone wants to scramble their brain playing football…
As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#22Rogan is an individualist. By this I mean he supports telling people to take control of their own lives, better themselves, hear different ideas and make their own opinions. Enjoying combat sports such as Boxing, MMA, and Football means you approve of people making their own conscious decision to potentially scramble their brain. I also enjoy these sports, and if someone wants to scramble their brain playing football…
You missed the important takeaway, that undeniably the best outcome includes a mix of individualism AND collectivism. The UN, Red Cross, US Military, a billion other examples of societal good stemming from collective institutions exist and they cannot be ignored when listing the merits of individualism.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#23Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. Calling criticism "liberal backlash" is just using name calling instead of actually disputing those criticisms. If I say "Joe Rogan is a bit of a hack IMO", that isn't the same thing as "there is growing backlash to Joe Rogan from the hn liberal tech elite."
I don't think this is a freedom of speech issue.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#24My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…
So you’re saying Joe should just not talk to people who don’t hold the right views? Or spend his entire show trying to prove them wrong? I can go on CNN or Foxnews to see that.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#25Rogan is an individualist. By this I mean he supports telling people to take control of their own lives, better themselves, hear different ideas and make their own opinions. Enjoying combat sports such as Boxing, MMA, and Football means you approve of people making their own conscious decision to potentially scramble their brain. I also enjoy these sports, and if someone wants to scramble their brain playing football…
This is incredibly uncharitable and simplistic attack on "many on the left".
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#26Rogan is an individualist. By this I mean he supports telling people to take control of their own lives, better themselves, hear different ideas and make their own opinions. Enjoying combat sports such as Boxing, MMA, and Football means you approve of people making their own conscious decision to potentially scramble their brain. I also enjoy these sports, and if someone wants to scramble their brain playing football…
You missed the important takeaway, that undeniably the best outcome includes a mix of individualism AND collectivism. The UN, Red Cross, US Military, a billion other examples of societal good stemming from collective institutions exist and they cannot be ignored when listing the merits of individualism.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)
This is a straw man argument. There's a big difference between simply vetting your guests to weed out quacks, and pushing some single-minded idea of orthodoxy.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#28My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…
Let's have a list of programming that's excellent by your standards that also has millions of listeners for each episode for comparison.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#29Rogan is an individualist. By this I mean he supports telling people to take control of their own lives, better themselves, hear different ideas and make their own opinions. Enjoying combat sports such as Boxing, MMA, and Football means you approve of people making their own conscious decision to potentially scramble their brain. I also enjoy these sports, and if someone wants to scramble their brain playing football…
> many on the left. In general, they want everyone to see themselves as part of a collective, blame society (or just “someone else”) when they have a problem, and expect the government to provide with sustenance cradle to grave
I'm on "the left" but I think your viewpoint here is too extreme.
Individual responsibility is very important but society at-large should also help : taxes for healthcare, elder-care, infrastructure, education.
I think we're called democratic-socialist now
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)
I'm not sure declining to invite Alex Jones onto one's platform would qualify as forcing one's definition of "the one true way" on others. That's kind of an over-deep reading of that person's character.