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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. Calling criticism "liberal backlash" is just using name calling instead of actually disputing those criticisms. If I say "Joe Rogan is a bit of a hack IMO", that isn't the same thing as "there is growing backlash to Joe Rogan from the hn liberal tech elite."

But it does sound like "backlash" is a more accurate description than mere "criticism" in this case.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

#12
post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

So you’re saying Joe should just not talk to people who don’t hold the right views? Or spend his entire show trying to prove them wrong?

I can go on CNN or Foxnews to see that.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

#13
post #5

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. Calling criticism "liberal backlash" is just using name calling instead of actually disputing those criticisms. If I say "Joe Rogan is a bit of a hack IMO", that isn't the same thing as "there is growing backlash to Joe Rogan from the hn liberal tech elite."

Agreed - I've seen right wing friends who criticise Rogan get called "leftist" as an insult for it. I have no strong opinion on him, but I think he hits nerves with extremists on both sides of politics, despite the false image of being anti-liberal which has been hoisted on him, mostly by the right.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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post #3

Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly toxic and anti-science when campaigners for transgender rights attempt this kind of censorship and deplatforming? If people can't even question the science, treatments or effects on children then it feels like a political ideology is at the wheel. I've noticed this online in traditionally liberal-leaning forums. There's no room for nuance in discussion without being the re…

I agree, I've got nothing against transgender people. I've got a problem with transgender activists going after people like J.K. Rowling, and trying to deplatform her, for her completely reasonable opinions. Fortunately in her case, she's too successful to deplatform, no publishing company is that stupid to turn her away.

I'm also deeply horrified what's happening to young girls especially where they are deciding they're trans and transitioning when much of the time they're simply confused teenagers. You merely have to look at how it clusters in friend circles like a contagion of the mind for proof it's a social phenomenon and not a biological one. Adults who should know better are encouraging them to do irrevocable harm to their bodies. I don't care where you fall on trans rights, that's going to be looked upon as a terrible tragedy down the road that we allowed this to happen.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

This is a straw man argument. There's a big difference between simply vetting your guests to weed out quacks, and pushing some single-minded idea of orthodoxy.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Rogan is an individualist. By this I mean he supports telling people to take control of their own lives, better themselves, hear different ideas and make their own opinions. Enjoying combat sports such as Boxing, MMA, and Football means you approve of people making their own conscious decision to potentially scramble their brain. I also enjoy these sports, and if someone wants to scramble their brain playing football or getting their skull bashed in by a fist, that’s their decision and they can accept my entertainment dollar.

The concept of individualism is anathema to many on the left. In general, they want everyone to see themselves as part of a collective, blame society (or just “someone else”) when they have a problem, and expect the government to provide with sustenance cradle to grave. I’m not saying this is necessarily bad - but someone with this belief system will not approve of someone whose an individualist that advocates for personal responsibility, relying on one’s own skills, and not expecting society to put a band aid on every boo boo one receives.

There is also a belief in “toxic masculinity” which is hard to define, but beating the shit out of someone else in a ring probably triggers some people to see toxicity. However a lot of males need this sort of outlet for aggression, and by saying “males” need something specific it probably also triggers a lot of people who reject concepts of inherent male and female traits and major differences between the genders in preferences based on sex alone.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

I'm not sure declining to invite Alex Jones onto one's platform would qualify as forcing one's definition of "the one true way" on others. That's kind of an over-deep reading of that person's character.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

This is a straw man argument. There's a big difference between simply vetting your guests to weed out quacks, and pushing some single-minded idea of orthodoxy.

No it isn’t. As I said if you want your microwaved lasagna go watch 60 minutes. I want to see Dorsey, Jones etc for the lunatics that they are and be thoroughly entertained by it

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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post #16

Rogan is an individualist. By this I mean he supports telling people to take control of their own lives, better themselves, hear different ideas and make their own opinions. Enjoying combat sports such as Boxing, MMA, and Football means you approve of people making their own conscious decision to potentially scramble their brain. I also enjoy these sports, and if someone wants to scramble their brain playing football…

You missed the important takeaway, that undeniably the best outcome includes a mix of individualism AND collectivism. The UN, Red Cross, US Military, a billion other examples of societal good stemming from collective institutions exist and they cannot be ignored when listing the merits of individualism.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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post #3

Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly toxic and anti-science when campaigners for transgender rights attempt this kind of censorship and deplatforming? If people can't even question the science, treatments or effects on children then it feels like a political ideology is at the wheel. I've noticed this online in traditionally liberal-leaning forums. There's no room for nuance in discussion without being the re…

Hes reasonable with his stance . It's not extreme or radical in any way, and backs it up with personal experience + studies hes read. Oh well
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