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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by imposterr »

You know what Joe is? Joe is that fun friend I had in high school that I could just shoot the shit with. He's that dude I got high with in university and discussed all manner of topics with. Joe is the person who in my professional world, does not (and possibly cannot) exist.

I miss the Joes in my life, and I think that's what originally led to me picking up his podcast. Sometimes I'm just tired of all the engineering discussions and want to enjoy something _else_. I didn't listen to him because of some deep seated desire to push against "the left's" control of speech, or because I thought he was a particularly polished interviewer. No, I could tell from the beginning he was way too into pseudoscience and that a lot of his guests were not well informed. But again, it was something different, and something interesting to think about. Something that in my day to day I would never consider, even if what's espoused on his podcast is complete bologna. It's almost a form of creative thinking.

Every now and then, however, he would say things that didn't sit well with me. But I liked Joe, and I could ignore a few small misgivings, we're all human after all, right? However, as time passed, these small things kept piling up. Like when he had a Native lawyer on who wanted to speak about the atrocities committed against her people and all Joe wanted to do was grill her about what great bloodthirsty warriors the Comanche were. Or when he asked Owen Smith what the benefit of having a woman of color in the Vice President's seat would be.

Eventually, after all the misinformation about corona started, I just couldn't look away from the pile. It had just gotten too big. And given the possible seriousness of the situation, I think it's reasonable to hold people like Joe responsible for the misinformation they spread. And for me, he failed.

I still have a soft spot on my heart for Joe, but I just can't listen to him anymore.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by djflexure »

I enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast because it is unique in the current world of media.

The host is a comedian and a MMA commentator, yet he talks to people from all walks of life, ranging from politicians, scientists to musicians and instagram celebrities. He doesn’t have any strong political agenda or affiliating with certain groups. He’s a regular dude just curious about other people’s life and views, and really gave his quests enough room to express themselves. This is important to many of us, that we want a platform where we can see the real, the human side of the guests, letting them explain themselves, rather than just snippets of soundbites clipped with different intentions by different groups, or 2-minute quick debates that’s often confusing than informative. That’s what makes the show more trustworthy to some people than some big networks.

There are warts that I frown upon as well. I disagree with some of this diets and views on intravenous supplements and stem cell treatment. And I never listen to his shows about aliens. But I have come to acceptance that aren’t and will not be a perfect show. The balance between informative and entertainment and eye-opening is quite a compromise. I think an educated person should treat the platform as a source of information, rather than THE source of information.

I guess what I really appreciate about the show is that people with vastly different views can still chat, drink and have a good time. For example, as someone outside US, I nevered had a good impression of Bernie Sanders until I watched the show seeing him talk and reason. I never imagined Richard Dawkins’s response about consuming weed and mushroom. I have learned a lot from Joe about being an interviewer on how to get along with people you don’t fully agree with, especially on how to handles some of his consipiracy-loaded friend. Many of the TV interviews are too “heated” and “confrontational” for my liking. Sometimes I just enjoy listening to some silly and relaxing conversations. Bullshit from the guests can be distinguished without the interviewer actually calling them out on the show.

In the age of chaos and cancelling, I really appreciate such a platform. I hope the deal with Spotify will not direct the show to a narrower road. As his popularity rises and being closer to the political war zone, I wish him and the show good luck.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by danielscrubs »

throwaway33339 wrote: post #74
catmistake wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

Leaving aside the usual quip about HN being an endless source of entertainment when it comes to attempting to comprehend basic concepts in biology that they weren't taught in high school, I'm wondering about something. What's with the propensity for the typical HNer, and the tech demographic in general, to subscribe to the whole alpha/beta charade in the first place? Your average programmer isn't usually a bodybuilde…

I’d argue that we have a lot of smart but hormonal and insecure teens on this site that are just trying to make sense of the world, especially what’s important to them.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by darepublic »

donmcronald wrote: post #56
hirundo wrote: post #52

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They had over a thousand episodes to watch and he hasn't changed since the deal.

I meant that in the context of wondering if Spotify got lazy and didn’t assess it properly.

More likely it's a calculated risk imo. With some internal company politics thrown in for good measure.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by verylittlemeat »

throwaway33339 wrote: post #74
catmistake wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

Leaving aside the usual quip about HN being an endless source of entertainment when it comes to attempting to comprehend basic concepts in biology that they weren't taught in high school, I'm wondering about something. What's with the propensity for the typical HNer, and the tech demographic in general, to subscribe to the whole alpha/beta charade in the first place? Your average programmer isn't usually a bodybuilde…

Isn't the self help section one of the largest in the bookstore? I don't see any great mystery - cults of personality, money, power, genius - aspirational culture. As far as we know haven't those things always been part of human nature? You can put a negative spin on it and call it self-loathing or fetishism but for some people it's motivation.

The HN bubble is real and it's easy to be derisive but the OP you replied to doesn't seem to be a troll. Sincere people are easy targets for the cynical but the flawed opinions of real people are more interesting than whatever sanitized death waits by appeasing something like n-gate.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by danielscrubs »

stillbourne wrote: post #64

Joe Rogan espouses a mindset that is not conducive to skeptical inquiry. He will readily accept for face value anything that fits into his assimilated world view. Oftentimes those ideas are unscientific, pander to conspiratorial mindsets, and are often just down right wrong. Furthermore, he will often make his show a platform for people who are either full of shit, full of hate, or crackpots and snakeoil salesmen. I…

Hold an comedian accountable? How much anger does the population have when people, that makes others laugh for a living, have to be accountable for others?

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by verylittlemeat »

Whenever I read about Joe Rogan on HN I wonder how many people have actually listened to one of his podcasts or are just mad/concerned he had X crackpot on his show.

You should check it out one day. It's not nearly as controversial or dangerous to society as apparently some people want you to believe. I found a coffee I really like from a guest he had on once.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by m463 »

hlieberman wrote: post #76
threatofrain wrote: post #59

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> Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual audiences to determine who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. I don't think it makes sense to criticize Joe Rogan for casual run your mouth conversation when we all know Joe rebranding to be more scientific and educational would destroy him and anyone else who tries. Try…

As I’ve said before, I’m terribly sad that Mister Rogers is no longer with us, but I’m so happy he didn’t live to see what television and the internet have become.

I think Mr Rogers would have carved out a niche in the internet just as surely as you and I are having a reasonable discussion involving hackers from all over the world.
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