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Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by DobryMorozov »

bluGill wrote: post #359
tomp wrote: post #305

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This is just an argument for IQ selection; applies equally to each caste as to humanity as a whole. But why would higher castes be more IQ selective than lower castes? Edit: anyone mind telling me why this comment is flagged? Did I say anything controversial?

As a rule all women breed (there are exceptions of course). In some societies high status males breed with multiple females and low status males have none. In most societies today marriage is 1:1, though there is lots of cheating but in general it means that some women will breed with low status males just for someone - thus all genes get carried on. As I said I assume the powerful selected politically powerful mates…

There is a negative correlation between IQ and fertility.

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Post by lol636363 »

lol636363 wrote: post #428
mywittyname wrote: post #197

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At some point, wouldn't it be difficult for people to tell? A person who grew up outside of India will only have a passing understanding of this nuance anyway, because they would not have been regularly exposed to the other group, so their entire understanding will be from what is passed to them by their parents. And the next generation will have next to zero understanding. Plus, those nuances will probably get erase…

Unfortunately, no. My wife's best friend is Hindu from Upper Caste. (Brahim) she was born in the United States. She always been so liberal and open minded. Most of her friends are Muslims. She is barely religious. But whenever it comes relationships, she brings up caste. She married into upper caste, she was very worried about caste of the guy. If her sister is dating a someone from a different caste, she brings it u…

Just want to add some more context. When I say she is liberal, she is indeed liberal. Her feed is full of BLM and LGBTQ causes. She has made donations to many of such causes too. She is the nicest person and worries about other people's issues. Gets really sad if there is a sad event in news, no matter where.

I think the problem is people have certain blindspots. Media can help you see these spots. That's why she is hyper aware of causes that the American media cares about.

In terms of caste, she grew up with certain beliefs but it is not something American media has shed any light on it.

She watches Bollywood movies but don't think they watch anything else from India. And I don't really see Bollywood dealing with caste issues seriously.

That's why she doesn't even understand the question when I ask why caste is so important. Also my wife stops me before I can dig any deeper.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by dang »

zapdrive wrote: post #263
macintux wrote: post #233

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Please reference the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Accusing someone of lying violates several of them.

But it IS a blatant lie. If the OP can provide any evidence of a student's caste listed on a notice board in a college, I'll eat my hat.

macintux is correct. Here's why. The word "lie" implies more than saying something false—it implies intent to deceive. That's against the HN guidelines, which ask you to assume good faith. When people assume bad faith, the odds are much higher that the thread will degenerate into flamewar, and we don't want that here. Also, none of us has a mind reader, and it's almost impossible to read someone else's intent just from the small bits of information that internet comments provide.

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Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by sreevisakh »

flowerlad wrote: post #429
sreevisakh wrote: post #418

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Privileged people just fail to see rampant caste discrimination existing in the entire country. The discrimination you are talking about is the overt one - like in cases where Dalits are prevented from using wells. But covert discrimination exists even in the most prestigious institutions in India [1]. The upper castes do not cite caste as a reason to discriminate, but use other reasons. That way, the upper castes ca…

> rampant caste discrimination existing in the entire country That's a very broad brush you are painting with! Some parts of the country have made significant progress. See for example work done by Narayana Guru, a social reformer in the 1800s, and its impact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narayana_Guru#Fight_against_ca...

That doesn't contradict my point at all. Narayana Guru's and others' work just helped stave off overt display of casteism. The practitioners just switched to covert discrimination - very much like in the CISCO case. Along with that started this effort to deny its existence to resist the very much needed reforms.

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Post by kyuudou »

tomp wrote: post #444
sjy wrote: post #379

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The relatively large number of tech billionaires – people with tens of thousands of times the median wealth – is a strange thing to use as an indicator of “meritocracy.”

Actually, one of the main criticism of meritocracy (as in, the social structure that we (the Western civilisation) strive to have, not the stupid "it's not actually a meritocracy" argument) is that, combined with assortative mating, it would eventually result in incredibly unequal society, with high-IQ genes becoming increasingly concentrated.

Isn't there some observed regression to the mean with children of high-IQ couples, though? I can't help but think of that part in Idiocracy where the high-IQ couple ends up dying before they can have even 1 kid while the regular-IQ guy is impregnating multiple women multiple times.

Not to mention that high-IQ is itself by definition less common...

Also, I think a "fair" meritocracy is still possible because merit isn't necessarily dependent simply on G; dedication and moral fortitude contribute greatly to merit in companies as well as societies, in my opinion.

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

aatharuv wrote: post #268
strikelaserclaw wrote: post #168

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All upper caste Indians who convert to Christianity still keep something in their name to signal their caste. So much for egalitarianism

Yup. When the Portuguese ruled Goa and surrounding parts of India, they were happy to keep caste prejudices -- for example, for a long time they only allowed Christian converts of Brahmin origin to become priests. Similarly, other Catholics attempted to integrate the caste system into Christianity in India (see the Malabar rites controversy), and had two different "castes" of priests, one acting as Brahmin's and mini…

That is really messed up, i guess one thing you learn through history is that missionaries were in cahoots with the states they represented. I remember reading that a common tactic used by states who wanted to conquer places was that they sent merchants to trade first, then missionaries, then armies.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by dang »

tomp wrote: post #298
signal11 wrote: post #170

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It’s not bizarre or far-fetched at all. Just a couple weeks ago (!) a woman named Rashmi Agochiya posted some astonishingly vile rants about Dalits on Facebook. Here’s a tweet with some of the comments she posted: https://twitter.com/ahariharan/status/1304042539238846464?s=... This lady has now deleted or hidden her social media accounts, but she seems to lives and work in the Midwest.

Is doxxing OK on HN?

No.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by [deleted] »

lol636363 wrote: post #428
mywittyname wrote: post #197

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At some point, wouldn't it be difficult for people to tell? A person who grew up outside of India will only have a passing understanding of this nuance anyway, because they would not have been regularly exposed to the other group, so their entire understanding will be from what is passed to them by their parents. And the next generation will have next to zero understanding. Plus, those nuances will probably get erase…

Unfortunately, no. My wife's best friend is Hindu from Upper Caste. (Brahim) she was born in the United States. She always been so liberal and open minded. Most of her friends are Muslims. She is barely religious. But whenever it comes relationships, she brings up caste. She married into upper caste, she was very worried about caste of the guy. If her sister is dating a someone from a different caste, she brings it u…

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Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by kyuudou »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #329
tomp wrote: post #295

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Nobody argues that tech is a meritocracy. Meritocracy is just an ideal, just like freedom, equality and defensive driving; it’s worth striving towards but you cannot ever reach it (and if you think you’ve reached it, you’ll inevitably start falling behind). Having said that, it’s one of the most meritocratic industries; do you know any billionaire doctors or lawyers that are college dropouts?

Rand Paul does not have a bachelor's degree. He does have an MD. And is a US Senator. Wonder how that happened. Oh, right, meritocracy.

Neat, "today-I-learned".

I have to wonder if it being his father's medical school also was a factor, considering it's a private school. But still, that's quite impressive.

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