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Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by macintux »

breitling wrote: post #208
signal11 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not bizarre or far-fetched at all. Just a couple weeks ago (!) a woman named Rashmi Agochiya posted some astonishingly vile rants about Dalits on Facebook. Here’s a tweet with some of the comments she posted: https://twitter.com/ahariharan/status/1304042539238846464?s=... This lady has now deleted or hidden her social media accounts, but she seems to lives and work in the Midwest.

...and what came of the report to her employer? Can't imagine any moral company tolerating this

”...actions are underway”

https://www.theweek.in/news/biz-tech/2020/09/11/ntt-data-tak...

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by gariti »

As a white American who grew up with indian friends/family who traveled in India for the first time, I was pretty shocked at how different it was than I expected. It's Incredibly diverse in terms of language, religion, culture, ect and I can say that It's the only county I've visited that I left feeling I knew less than before I came.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

khrbrt wrote: post #192
zarkov99 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think its pure caste discrimination though? Is it not possible, even likely, that generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes? I understand how awful this is to contemplate, but isn't it ignoring that effect also burying your head in the sand?

Evolutionarily, it'd be the other way around. If members of a high caste are guaranteed wealth and many children, then there is no selective pressure for intelligence. Likewise, if lower caste members struggle to survive, then there is a strong selective pressure for intelligence and problem solving.

> If members of a high caste are guaranteed wealth and many children, then there is no selective pressure for intelligence.

There absolutely no evidence of some "selective pressure for intelligence" in human societies.

Please keep eugenics and similar out of HN.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by 1024core »

signal11 wrote: post #170
_jgdh wrote: post #80

For people who discuss this with Indian co-workers - don't be surprised if they find this bizarre or far fetched. For most upper caste folks, it appears as if the caste system doesn't exist because they've never been at the receiving end of it. Most people (me included) would be tempted to say - I've never discriminated, I've never seen it happen in front of me, I'm confident none of my friends would do it so therefo…

It’s not bizarre or far-fetched at all. Just a couple weeks ago (!) a woman named Rashmi Agochiya posted some astonishingly vile rants about Dalits on Facebook. Here’s a tweet with some of the comments she posted: https://twitter.com/ahariharan/status/1304042539238846464?s=... This lady has now deleted or hidden her social media accounts, but she seems to lives and work in the Midwest.

> It’s not bizarre or far-fetched at all.

You do realize that one example (out of 1.2 Billion) is the definition of "far fetched".

If you want to claim that it is not "far fetched", you will have to provide 1000s of cases.

Edit: oh great, the downvote brigade is here. How about this anecdote: in grad school, I (an Indian, from the North of the country) was friends with a group of South Indians who all shared a house. We'd have brunches together, hang out on the weekends, etc. They all came from different schools; including one from IIT Madras. After nearly a year of friendship, in one late night conversation, one of the guys joked that the guy from IIT Madras was a "topper" (i.e., ranked highest in the entrance exam). I was surprised, because he seemed so down to earth. Turns out he had scored the highest among the reserved category students (but still ranked pretty highly); IOW, he was of a so-called "lower caste". It didn't bother me at all, and neither did it bother any of his housemates. We are still friends today, albeit over long distance.

So, does my anecdote cancel yours?

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by bluGill »

TuringNYC wrote: post #181
buran77 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw the situation a bit differently, the upper caste guys would have no problem working with the lower caste ones simply because this meant they never had to work. They would pawn off all the work on the others and order them around. And if I tried to force any work on them it just backfired since they just shoved it down the throats of their "slaves". Even trying to embarrass them in a meeting didn't work. With al…

As a New Analyst, I've seen this with Westerners also (nothing to do with "caste" in the specific sense), trying to boss around others and assert dominance based on their University or assumed better training. I think it happens in a lot of circumstances, even if there isnt a name for it in the West.

There is often a subtle difference: westerners are generally able to understand the situation and decide if they are inferior or note on a case by case basis. When my boss asserts authority that is different from the guy in the desk next to me, and I will react differently.

Note that women have just won that position, and often will not fight for their rights like "they should". Also black people may have issues that they may not feel like they dare fight for their rights, though some will. There are signs the mexicans will have the same problems, but I suspect the younger generation will fight. (in all the the above fight is not violence)

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Post by everdrive »

I learned about the caste system in school. And realistically, outside of a book or two, I haven't heard a thing about it until this article. I appreciate that my news sources have no generally been focused on India, but this really rather surprising. I frankly didn't even know the caste system in India was still practiced.

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Post by nsenifty »

coopsmgoops wrote: post #13
just-juan-post wrote: post #2

How does one tactfully determine what percentage of a company is Indian?

Names possibly? I'm purely speculating here, but since India has such a huge population anyone with a indianesque name is probably Indian. Especially if it's the case that muslims from pakistan have distinct names. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Name is not a reliable indicator of caste for all Indians. A large portion of South Indians don't have a surname - they just use their dad's first name or the name of their hometown. Even among North Indians who do have a caste-based surname, many ditch that in favor of something like "Kumar".

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Post by legolas2412 »

adjkant wrote: post #234
pringles_red wrote: post #104

I don't get why is everyone who is saying this a result of the reservation system is getting downvoted. I am an Indian and clearly reservation system is a spectacular failure. The reservation system actively creates a divide among castes. I will not be surprised if some these upper caste people who are fed up of reservation in India discriminate when they go to USA. These upper caste people are not discriminating due…

> I am an Indian and clearly reservation system is a spectacular failure. The reservation system actively creates a divide among castes. I will not be surprised if some these upper caste people who are fed up of reservation in India discriminate when they go to USA. These upper caste people are not discriminating due to fact that they believe that one caste is superior to another, they are doing it because they are a…

> Systemic oppression is not erased by hard and honest work of the descendants of oppressors, it must be actively fixed.

But it looks like these measures do not solve where the systemic oppression exists. Systemic oppression exists mostly in wealth inequalities, and somewhat in society that restricts access to education for those who are oppressed. Given that is the problem, the solution should be to provide high quality universal primary and secondary education. Taking number of STEM engineers by race/caste and trying to force universities to discriminate in admissions does not solve the poor quality of public school education

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