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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#81

What China has done to Tibet is horrible. One thing that is missing from this article is how they are doing this? How are they coercing people? Are they literally dragging them out of their homes? Threatening them? Or are they just offering them opportunities that are actually preferable to their current conditions, and the people are accepting them?

>missing from this article

These things are always conveniently missing or deliberately misreported for manufactured consent. TL;DR: there's no clear evidence of coercion, also no evidence of no coercion, but China bad so ergo it's coercive. Western media: it's forced labour despite forced labour not being mentioned at all. But that's expected with another Zenz media push:

https://jamestown.org/program/jamestown-early-warning-brief-...

Conclusion: In both Xinjiang and Tibet, state-mandated poverty alleviation consists of a top-down scheme that extends the government’s social control deep into family units. The state’s preferred method to increase the disposable incomes of rural surplus laborers in these restive minority regions is through vocational training and labor transfer. Both regions have by now implemented a comprehensive scheme that relies heavily on centralized administrative mechanisms; quota fulfilment; job matching prior to training; and a militarized training process that involves thought transformation, patriotic and legal education, and Chinese language teaching.

Important differences remain between Beijing’s approaches in Xinjiang and Tibet. Presently, there is no evidence that the TAR’s scheme is linked to extrajudicial internment, and aspects of its labor transfer mechanisms are potentially less coercive. However, in a system where the transition between securitization and poverty alleviation is seamless, there is no telling where coercion stops and where genuinely voluntary local agency begins. While some Tibetans may voluntarily participate in some or all aspects of the scheme, and while their incomes may indeed increase as a result, the systemic presence of clear indicators of coercion and indoctrination, coupled with profound and potentially permanent change in modes of livelihood, is highly problematic. In the context of Beijing’s increasingly assimilatory ethnic minority policy, it is likely that these policies will promote a long-term loss of linguistic, cultural and spiritual heritage.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#82
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ye, but how could one possibly do that?

Break the great firewall. Show the Chinese citizens exactly what the CCP is doing and hope that they revolt. Starlink should have the power to do that very soon.

Nope. It is a country by country basis and requires permission from the CCP. Without it they can blow the satellites up that are sending these signals into China.

From [0]

> The Chinese government would have to agree to let SpaceX build antenna dishes, or ground links, to send and receive data to and from the company's spacecraft. But that nation routes internet access for its 1.37 billion inhabitants through "the Great Firewall," a censorship technology that blocks foreign news, mentions of citizen uprisings (like the Tiananmen Square Massacre), or anything else Chinese officials don't like on the web.

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-co...

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#83

I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

You don't threaten to invade a nuclear power unless you mean it. We wouldn't mean it. Instead, we have begun decoupling.

Nah the way to do it today is to create internal struggle and division based on fake news and manipulating people

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#84
post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

>Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted.

Are you willing to sacrifice your life for the freedom of Tibet? I am not

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the US alone has any appetite for a land war in China, nor does the rest of the world. They have such a huge population, it would be very, very hard to win a war like that. If they were to confront China directly, I would guess the US and the west are much more likely to take a containment approach like they did with the USSR.

Yea war is a terrible idea. Even if we “won” it would come at great cost. The best strategy is to contain them and wait for the inevitable communist collapse. Also, breaking the great firewall would do wonders in encouraging Chinese citizens to stand up for themselves. Hopefully Elon doesn’t kowtow to the CCP with Starlink.

You are aware that most people know perfectly well how to use VPNs?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#86
post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

Han supremacy? Laughably absurd. Just because some other cultures have a history of thinking they're better than everyone else doesn't mean that every culture does. Accounts of what China and the West thought of each other survive from the era of Marco Polo. The Chinese thought of Western Civilization with equality and respect. The West's opinion on the Chinese? Barbarians.

Every country has its bigots, but suggestions that a country that just came out of hundreds of years of institutional racism from the Qing and then the British opium wars has a deliberate agenda based on race supremacy just sound like projection to me.

Confront the mirror.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#87
post #62

This could be in response of India creating Tibetan special forces division. India wants to create a Tibetan rebellion in case of war. https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-use-of-secret-guerrilla-f...

This is a separate generalized poverty alleviation scheme that started last year. Tibetan with exile influence gets tossed in the XJ style patriotic re-education system.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#88
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ye, but how could one possibly do that?

Break the great firewall. Show the Chinese citizens exactly what the CCP is doing and hope that they revolt. Starlink should have the power to do that very soon.

Starlink is a Musk project. So is Tesla's Giga production facility in Shanghai. Will he want to be forced to choose between them?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#89
post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

We have to recognize the problem before we can work up the courage. And unfortunately, most people don’t recognize the problem. Worse, there is a tendency for some people to smear you as a right wing Trump supporter when you criticize China.

I'm sure people were critical of China before Trump took office, nevertheless you've got a point and I don't get why you've been downvoted.

I hope it doesn't get to major atrocities to happen before the world wakes up to what China is doing.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the US alone has any appetite for a land war in China, nor does the rest of the world. They have such a huge population, it would be very, very hard to win a war like that. If they were to confront China directly, I would guess the US and the west are much more likely to take a containment approach like they did with the USSR.

You don't have to have any appetite for a land war to say you gotta free your concentration camps within 18 months or we have to come invade. It's a million people.

And you will be in the first wave of the invasion force? The one that takes 90+ % casualties?
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