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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by logicallee »

burlesona wrote: post #35
logicallee wrote: post #22

I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

I don’t think the US alone has any appetite for a land war in China, nor does the rest of the world. They have such a huge population, it would be very, very hard to win a war like that. If they were to confront China directly, I would guess the US and the west are much more likely to take a containment approach like they did with the USSR.

You don't have to have any appetite for a land war to say you gotta free your concentration camps within 18 months or we have to come invade. It's a million people.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by abawany »

pc86 wrote: post #18
liminal wrote: post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

Not until China stops manufacturing everything, and I'm thinking by then it will be too late.

I see companies shifting manufacturing out of the PRC, though sadly not fast enough and not for human rights reasons. Cellphones made in Vietnam etc. (e.g Pixel 4a I think) would be preferable to supporting the current regime in the PRC. Here's hoping we stop enabling the cruel regime in the PRC.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by QuesnayJr »

bouncycastle wrote: post #29
newen wrote: post #21

Great, yet another China bad article that paints what is probably a jobs and reeducation program to modernize Tibet as something much more sinister. Edit: Reeducation might be something as normal as going from an agricultural society to a modern one. Reeducation sounds very sinister, I'm sure, but Tibet was a feudal society just 60 years ago. Also "reeducation" is entirely my phrasing and has connotations different f…

What is a "reeducation program"? What are they being "re-educated about"?

The glories of Xi, presumably.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by oxymoran »

burlesona wrote: post #35
logicallee wrote: post #22

I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

I don’t think the US alone has any appetite for a land war in China, nor does the rest of the world. They have such a huge population, it would be very, very hard to win a war like that. If they were to confront China directly, I would guess the US and the west are much more likely to take a containment approach like they did with the USSR.

Yea war is a terrible idea. Even if we “won” it would come at great cost. The best strategy is to contain them and wait for the inevitable communist collapse. Also, breaking the great firewall would do wonders in encouraging Chinese citizens to stand up for themselves. Hopefully Elon doesn’t kowtow to the CCP with Starlink.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by apexalpha »

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one.

From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China.

But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff.

Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are going to lecture them about occupying a territory.

For China Tibet is a buffer between India and them and it is where most of their water comes from, so they're never going to let any foreign entity control it. Seems out of the question.

I live in a European area that was 'assimilated' into a bigger country and forced to use their language and customs. This was over 150 years ago for my area now. And most people don't remember it and just go with the flow of the country they are born in.

I hope for all Tibetans that there will be some sense of regional pride remaining (and allowed) as they find a way to live as part of China.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by tinza123 »

You would think if China does something like this they might do a better job keeping it a secret. Any links to a credible source? All I find is "Hundreds of document" and opinions of some "Experts". And again, Adrian Zenz, who is by no means "independent", just check the guy's track record.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by beatle_sauce »

Aperocky wrote: post #6

Welp, Adrian Zenz strikes again. If you haven't heard of this guy, he's a fellow at 'Victim of Communism Foundation Memorial', set up and paid by US. Anecdotally, private businesses in China very much dislike taking in labor transfers (more or less a gov initiative) - because they had to provide housing, specific food (halal, etc), and even religious facilities while paying the same. The labor quality is not nearly a…

Please take information with a grain of salt that tries to discredit the researcher, without even mentioning the actual argument. You might not agree with his world view, but Zenz found hard evidence of repression in Xinjiang and uncovered a Chinese government financed program for forced sterilization.

If you are Chinese, be aware that any state-control model that works in Tibet or Xinjiang might also be transferred to other parts of China. The current political trajectory might continue. Xi Jinping is still young, he might be president for the next 30 years.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by trasz »

floren wrote: post #42
bouncycastle wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a "reeducation program"? What are they being "re-educated about"?

Being alive, eventually.

It appears it’s mostly the language, interaction with various services and institutions, and skills necessary to get a job.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by logicallee »

whiddershins wrote: post #41
logicallee wrote: post #22

I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

Why are you being downvoted? This is a completely rational take.

Probably because they think it's a hawkish sentiment. No way.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by aww_dang »

Aperocky wrote: post #8
paganel wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a genuine question? I don’t want to be snarky, but you are aware of the fact that government-imposed “mass labour” has almost always meant “forced labor” (I’m sure there might be some punctual exceptions, but the conclusion is the same), no?

Is Roosevelts New Deal 'forced labor'?

No, Roosevelt's New Deal was not forced labor. This is a false equivalence and whataboutism.
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