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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by foepys »

pc86 wrote: post #18
liminal wrote: post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

Not until China stops manufacturing everything, and I'm thinking by then it will be too late.

I fear it already is too late. China was brave enough to take Hong Kong in one swift motion. The international response has been so weak that China is already eyeing Taiwan. Just yesterday they flew with 18 fighter jets and a bomber across the unofficial but mutually agreed border between Taiwan and China. This is unprecedented.

If the situation doesn't deescalate quickly, we might see a war soon and if push comes to shove, the US could be in the middle of it.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by aww_dang »

newen wrote: post #17
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The government documents reviewed by Reuters put a strong emphasis on ideological education to correct the “thinking concepts” of laborers. “There is the assertion that minorities are low in discipline, that their minds must be changed, that they must be convinced to participate,” said Zenz, the Tibet-Xinjiang researcher based in Minnesota. > One policy document, posted on the website of the Nagqu City government i…

I don't think you'd want to whitewash Zenz as a Tibet-Xinjiang researcher when he is known to have said that he is on a religious mission against China. https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-...

Attacking the bias and faith of Zenz instead of his argument is poor form. Doing so while linking to "The Gray Zone" is ironic.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by duxup »

rvz wrote: post #4

> A notice posted to the website of Tibet’s regional government website last month said over half a million people were trained as part of the project in the first seven months of 2020 - around 15% of the region’s population. Of this total, almost 50,000 have been transferred into jobs within Tibet, and several thousand have been sent to other parts of China. Many end up in low paid work, including textile manufactur…

What do you mean by "actual 'oppression'" ?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

Aperocky wrote: post #6

Welp, Adrian Zenz strikes again. If you haven't heard of this guy, he's a fellow at 'Victim of Communism Foundation Memorial', set up and paid by US. Anecdotally, private businesses in China very much dislike taking in labor transfers (more or less a gov initiative) - because they had to provide housing, specific food (halal, etc), and even religious facilities while paying the same. The labor quality is not nearly a…

Reuters explicitly says that it has "corroborated Zenz’s findings and found additional policy documents, company reports, procurement filings and state media reports that describe the program". I understand that Zenz may be controversial, but are you suggesting that Reuters in general is suspect because it's speaking out about this?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by burlesona »

logicallee wrote: post #22

I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

I don’t think the US alone has any appetite for a land war in China, nor does the rest of the world. They have such a huge population, it would be very, very hard to win a war like that.

If they were to confront China directly, I would guess the US and the west are much more likely to take a containment approach like they did with the USSR.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by oxymoran »

liminal wrote: post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

We have to recognize the problem before we can work up the courage. And unfortunately, most people don’t recognize the problem. Worse, there is a tendency for some people to smear you as a right wing Trump supporter when you criticize China.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

newen wrote: post #21

Great, yet another China bad article that paints what is probably a jobs and reeducation program to modernize Tibet as something much more sinister. Edit: Reeducation might be something as normal as going from an agricultural society to a modern one. Reeducation sounds very sinister, I'm sure, but Tibet was a feudal society just 60 years ago. Also "reeducation" is entirely my phrasing and has connotations different f…

Please show me a "reeducation program" that was ever not a euphemism for something much more sinister.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by Consultant32452 »

logicallee wrote: post #22

I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

You don't threaten to invade a nuclear power unless you mean it. We wouldn't mean it. Instead, we have begun decoupling.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by trasz »

bognition wrote: post #3
bzb5 wrote: post #2

> over half a million people were trained as part of the project in the first seven months of 2020 - around 15% of the region’s population In the meantime countries such as Spain “enjoy” 50% unemployment of the young.

Are you suggesting that the Spanish gov't forcibly enroll youths in labor camps?

Funny how you arrived at “forcibly” while there’s not a single proof this program is forced on anyone.
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