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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that the Spanish gov't forcibly enroll youths in labor camps?

Funny how you arrived at “forcibly” while there’s not a single proof this program is forced on anyone.

So China has a free press now to find such proof! How silly of us. This myopic, appeasement view of an authoritarian regime has been shown time and again through our history to not end well.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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post #21

Great, yet another China bad article that paints what is probably a jobs and reeducation program to modernize Tibet as something much more sinister. Edit: Reeducation might be something as normal as going from an agricultural society to a modern one. Reeducation sounds very sinister, I'm sure, but Tibet was a feudal society just 60 years ago. Also "reeducation" is entirely my phrasing and has connotations different f…

What is a "reeducation program"? What are they being "re-educated about"?

That their old culture, and its old power structures, are bad, and that the new culture, and the new power structures (with Han at the top) are good. New is good. Old is a bad look.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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post #21

Great, yet another China bad article that paints what is probably a jobs and reeducation program to modernize Tibet as something much more sinister. Edit: Reeducation might be something as normal as going from an agricultural society to a modern one. Reeducation sounds very sinister, I'm sure, but Tibet was a feudal society just 60 years ago. Also "reeducation" is entirely my phrasing and has connotations different f…

What is a "reeducation program"? What are they being "re-educated about"?

I'm not certain I agree with OP, but you could call workplace diveristy seminars or code bootcamps reeducation programs.

(Not that I think either of those are bad things)

The words "reeducation program" don't frighten me on their own. I'd like to know more about it.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

If by the world you mean the west (do you see the countries in Africa or the Middle East caring about this?) then only when China actually attacks western interests, namely allied democracies like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. Note that the Allies in WW2 didn't go to war against the Axis supremacists until they expanded outside their borders, and the western allies didn't take significant action against Japan until Japan expanded into the west's Asian colonies. The Nanjing massacre was December 1937. The US oil embargo on Japan began summer 1941. Why did it take 4 years after a humanitarian crisis? Because Japan began occupying French Indochina in summer 1941 after France fell to Nazi German in summer 1940, and only after Japan started occupying western interests did it draw the full attention of the western Allies.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

Why are you being downvoted? This is a completely rational take.

There's nothing rational about starting a war with China. The most we can possibly do is propaganda and sanctions.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#67
post #39

Is it a sign of internal struggles that China is trying to foment foreign relations 'situations' to divert attention? I really wish the world would rescue Tibet from China.

Ye, but how could one possibly do that?

Break the great firewall. Show the Chinese citizens exactly what the CCP is doing and hope that they revolt. Starlink should have the power to do that very soon.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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I think the million+ uighers in concentration camps are a precise analogy for death camps run by you know who in the 20th century. The u.s. should tell China, hey you hid your concentration camps really well, we totally just found out like today, but the thing is we can't let this go on so you have to free all your concentration camps in 18 months or we come invade. Sorrrry. We totally didnt know you were doing this.…

You don't threaten to invade a nuclear power unless you mean it. We wouldn't mean it. Instead, we have begun decoupling.

Yes obviously we wouldn't mean it.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the US alone has any appetite for a land war in China, nor does the rest of the world. They have such a huge population, it would be very, very hard to win a war like that. If they were to confront China directly, I would guess the US and the west are much more likely to take a containment approach like they did with the USSR.

You don't have to have any appetite for a land war to say you gotta free your concentration camps within 18 months or we have to come invade. It's a million people.

If it isn't a credible threat it won't be very effective. Gathering a coalition to embargo China would be a more credible threat, but even that requires some legwork to develop an alternative set of trading partners.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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post #6

Welp, Adrian Zenz strikes again. If you haven't heard of this guy, he's a fellow at 'Victim of Communism Foundation Memorial', set up and paid by US. Anecdotally, private businesses in China very much dislike taking in labor transfers (more or less a gov initiative) - because they had to provide housing, specific food (halal, etc), and even religious facilities while paying the same. The labor quality is not nearly a…

Please take information with a grain of salt that tries to discredit the researcher, without even mentioning the actual argument. You might not agree with his world view, but Zenz found hard evidence of repression in Xinjiang and uncovered a Chinese government financed program for forced sterilization. If you are Chinese, be aware that any state-control model that works in Tibet or Xinjiang might also be transferred…

Yes, in the study he claimed 80% of all China's IUD happened in Xinjiang, where simple math resulted in 8.7%.

link to his report: https://web.archive.org/web/20200629192118/https://jamestown...

link to actual source that Zenz himself used: https://preview.redd.it/xkytzc0iuna51.png?width=1425&format=...

Make it what you will.

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