Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by blisseyGo » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 3:57 AM UTC

alex_young wrote: post #122

adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

You don't have to agree with it but his point was that the WH and Senate shouldn't contemplate a SCOTUS nominee in an election year if they are controlled by opposite parties. Not hypocritical as that's not the case this time.

Also what happens if the election is contested and needs to be decided by the Supreme Court? Can't have a Supreme Court without a justice till January 20th.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by blisseyGo » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 3:57 AM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #153

alex_young wrote: post #122

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There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

If you think McConnell has a shred of honor or cares one whiff about not being a hypocrite I have a bridge to sell you.

His point was that the WH and Senate shouldn't contemplate a SCOTUS nominee in an election year if they are controlled by opposite parties. Not hypocritical as that's not the case this time.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mcphage » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 3:58 AM UTC

z9e wrote: post #786

mcphage wrote: post #713

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How many people from this administration ended up in jail? And how many from the last? You can feel whatever you want, but the math isn’t in your favor.

Ever hear of Obama gate? The justice isn’t being applied evenly.

I’ve also heard of the Loch Ness Monster, and it’s just as real.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by monocasa » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 4:03 AM UTC

wu_tang_chris wrote: post #372

monocasa wrote: post #115

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They've already started. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/trump-suprem...

He released the list back before Kavanaugh. He recently updated it.

Yes... the article is about the new, updated list as of last week.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by koolba » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 4:03 AM UTC

malwarebytess wrote: post #804

glenstein wrote: post #392

I wonder if he will go down in American history as a more poisonous senator than McCarthy.

I don't know what you could call his brand of governance other than pure evil. It's men and women like him who destroy nations and stir violence.

It’s talk like this that truly disgusts me. And it only comes from the left. Anyone in a position of power that effectively promotes opposing views is labeled as pure evil. The more effective, the more evil.

Just because your side is losing does not mean the other side is working for Satan. It’s talk like that that leads to violence.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by ericd » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 4:05 AM UTC

rezendi wrote: post #151

Kattywumpus wrote: post #130

If Trump and the Republicans confirm a new Justice, Democrats have indicated they will pack the Supreme Court, appointing as many Justices as they feel necessary to get the rulings they want. "If they show that they're unwilling to respect precedent, rules and history, then they can't feign surprise when others talk about using a statutory option that we have that's fully constitutional in our availability," he said.…

This is amusingly silly. Changing the composition of the Court is not unheard of and FDR, not exactly known as the poster child of "destroying the legitimacy of Constitutional government," nearly did it in 1937 (and likely would have if not for another untimely death.) https://today.law.harvard.edu/if-democrats-win-in-november-s...

A lot of what FDR did was overturned as unconstitutional, though.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by Clubber » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 4:08 AM UTC

clairity wrote: post #831

nyokodo wrote: post #715

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This is a key aspect of the struggle of civilization and not utopian at all. If we hope to change anyone's mind and reach a level of social consensus on anything then it's imperative we make a safe space for everyone to think and have civil discourse. Knee jerk recriminations for essentially thinking is the recipe for entrenchment of positions and pushing people to the margins where they are more likely to mix with e…

it's not just about listening to ideas. if it were that easy, we'd already be more socially cohesive. it's about subtler things like real empathy, where you can actually see and follow the chain of reason someone takes to get to a position, however outlandish you think that is at the outset. it's about holding contradictory ideas in your head at the same time, constantly, about everything, rather than retreating into…

If you really want to find a compelling starting point for the state of our current public political discourse, you may find it in the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. Rush Limbaugh's first radio broadcast airs in 1988 which introduced "anger-tainment" as a very profitable political news model. As time passes, this new business model affected every news organization in one way or another, to various degrees, willingly or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tigershark » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 4:09 AM UTC

stjohnswarts wrote: post #645

dexterdog wrote: post #65

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But that was a republican senate that had the power to confirm or not. Now you have a republican president and senate so if they want to ram somebody through they can do that.

However when the democrats win the election (president and senate) this fall then democrats will be able to add 3 more members to the Supreme court in order to counteract the Republicans heavily slanting the SCOTUS with Roe v Wade advocates.

They should nullify all the acts passed by trump and all the appointments made by the senate once the criminal in chief is convicted of treason.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by divbzero » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 4:10 AM UTC

adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

Also reported by NPR in the original post:

Just days before her death, as her strength waned, Ginsburg dictated this statement to her granddaughter Clara Spera: “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.”

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by throwawayRyTV » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 4:11 AM UTC

acjohnson55 wrote: post #800

sophacles wrote: post #709

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A man literally arguing against himself.

The frustrating thing about the center is the propensity to take things at face value, no matter how bad faith. It has been patently obvious for decades that the Republican party plays by a thoroughly cynical playbook. A credulous centrist elite accepts each new plot twist as the status quo, after a genteel interval of whining. Enough is enough. People in favor of good governance need to end a system that allows a mi…

No, flooding your country with the third-world will be your downfall. I give you thirty years before the civil war.