Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by DuskStar » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:33 AM UTC

edbob wrote: post #497

jagger27 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that widespread conflict is exactly what Trump republicans want. Just this weeks' news: mass hysterectomies in ICE camps, Trump's tirade on rewriting school history books on slavery, overt mail service destruction, more anti-mask rhetoric, and the list goes on and on. They're putting the pedal to the metal.

> mass hysterectomies in ICE camps All I found was two allegations against a single doctor. That's horrible if true, but it seems like a typical case of medical malpractice that has nothing whatsoever to do with the administration.

And it was only one hysterectomy. [0] For cancer.

Crying wolf like this does no one any good.

0: https://apnews.com/f2008d23c5f9087f4214d9722dfb097e

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by Hnrobert42 » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:33 AM UTC

There is nothing good left in this world. I don’t plan to kill myself, but I don’t see much value in living.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mcphage » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:34 AM UTC

godzulu wrote: post #682

elbigbad wrote: post #592

This won’t happen. I’m a reasonable person and happy to change my mind with evidence, and don’t say this lightly, but the republicans do not give a crud about any of this. They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist. This is coming from a recent former republican. I miss George Will’s Republican party.

that's funny, because I feel that the DNC is the most soulless, vicious, corrupt and generally awful human beings there are.

How many people from this administration ended up in jail? And how many from the last? You can feel whatever you want, but the math isn’t in your favor.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by crispyambulance » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:35 AM UTC

throwaway6000 wrote: post #375

"BREAKING: Trump will quickly pick a replacement for Justice Ginsburg, and Sen. Mitch McConnell & the Republican-controlled Senate will move to confirm his nominee,creating a new political flashpoint in election while firing up evangelicals & shoring up GOP base and vote for Trump"

I don't think it's a "new" political flashpoint. RBG was 87, with cancer, it's not a surprise.

McConnell has certainly laid plans for an attempt to force a crony through as quickly as possible before the election. Hopefully it won't happen before Trump gets flushed.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by nyokodo » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:35 AM UTC

goldcd wrote: post #585

stickyricky wrote: post #37

I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

Was so lovely after reading the article, that the point that stuck with me, aligned with your comment right at the top. Maybe there's some sort of new "non-denominational creed" we could all sign up for. ~" We may not agree but I will always listen to you. I will always consider your opinion with respect and will endeavour to understand your reasoning. My views are not set - my goal is to listen to arguments to come…

This is a key aspect of the struggle of civilization and not utopian at all. If we hope to change anyone's mind and reach a level of social consensus on anything then it's imperative we make a safe space for everyone to think and have civil discourse. Knee jerk recriminations for essentially thinking is the recipe for entrenchment of positions and pushing people to the margins where they are more likely to mix with extremists. RBG and Scalia were a great example of how to disagree respectfully and not treat ideas as a personal threat but to engage with them with enthusiasm. I am with you in your quest to listen and give ideas their due and all people respect.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by DuskStar » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:37 AM UTC

mhh__ wrote: post #119

tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

> They do not give a fuck Something that the Democrats need to realize is that they (especially Obama) assumed too much good faith in the congressional GOP. You can stick to your principles while doing it but, when you are against a party who now considers its last nominee (Romney) a radical BLM leftist, when they go low you need to be ready to kick them in the head.

At the same time, from the Republican perspective... They won "fair and square", and then largely liberal-staffed agencies and other organizations delayed and resisted the implementation of Republican policies as much as possible. The other side wasn't playing fair, why should they?

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by michaelmrose » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:37 AM UTC

RickJWagner wrote: post #565

RBG was also the voice of reason when Justice Kavanaugh was under attack by an unhinged mob. She truly could see beyond politics, and will be missed by both sides of the aisle.

I really don't believe legitimate criticism is problematic and it is very problematic to call people who speak out an "unhinged mob"

Karanaugh's interesting interpretation of the law is enough to give him a hard pass but he also lied under oath.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by hota_mazi » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:38 AM UTC

It's depressing how much better Republicans are at politics than Democrats are.

Because of that, they will get their way.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mgkimsal » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:38 AM UTC

crispyambulance wrote: post #714

throwaway6000 wrote: post #375

"BREAKING: Trump will quickly pick a replacement for Justice Ginsburg, and Sen. Mitch McConnell & the Republican-controlled Senate will move to confirm his nominee,creating a new political flashpoint in election while firing up evangelicals & shoring up GOP base and vote for Trump"

I don't think it's a "new" political flashpoint. RBG was 87, with cancer, it's not a surprise. McConnell has certainly laid plans for an attempt to force a crony through as quickly as possible before the election. Hopefully it won't happen before Trump gets flushed.

Doesn't need to happen before election - whoever wins the election, the current folks will be in office until January. They can press this forward before or after the election.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by redler » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:39 AM UTC

8note wrote: post #694

mrkstu wrote: post #566

For those so certain that the Republican Senate is going to ram though someone, there are a few moderates left, and they've already decided thing can wait until after the election: "So far the following GOP Senators have pledged that they will not consider a Supreme Court appointment until after the next inauguration. Susan Collins Chuck Grassley Lisa Murkowski" [0]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1307115333669580…

When push comes to shove, republicans fall in line. Susan Collins will go on record saying she thinks trump jr is just too good of a candidate to not accept the nomination, and that'll be the end of it

As the glib aphorism goes, Democrats want to fall in love, and Republicans want to fall in line.