Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by jcalvinowens » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:29 AM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #333

ianai wrote: post #266

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Four. Whatever trump got plus one for Garland. Also make DC a state on day 1.

You're really expecting a landslide, aren't you? Democrats are doing the exact same thing this time they did last time, and they're expecting the virus to save them. It might not happen...

It wouldn't take anything close to a landslide for the senate to flip.

My point is: if the Democrats win the senate and the presidency, it doesn't really matter if Trump fills this vacancy. There is zero doubt they will stack the court when in power if he does.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mythrwy » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:29 AM UTC

organsnyder wrote: post #518

theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

Given how broadly the United States exerts influence around the world, I feel obligated to stay and work to make things better.

And there is the right answer.

If you are an American and you are professing hate for America (as many in this thread are) I feel bad for you.

This is my home and I love it here. America has made mistakes, it will make more, it has corrupt people, evil people, good people, inventive people, thieving people but it's contributed quite a lot to this world socially, technologically and in many other ways.

I find this entire hate for America thing shallow, short-sided, ignorant and deeply disturbing and have very little use for people who professes this sentiment.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by anigbrowl » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:29 AM UTC

Qub3d wrote: post #102

koolba wrote: post #10

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Hell yes he does. And 100% that Mitch will get it done!

Mitch McConnell in 2016: “The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president." I'm curious what his argument would be for this being different.

His argument will be 'LOL sucks to be you.'

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by convolvatron » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #511

treeman79 wrote: post #364

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Some things have no gap. Your either want the right to your own body, or a crusade to stop the murder of millions of babies. This drives most other politics.

That's a very western philosophical way of viewing it. Many eastern philosophies believe the best answer lies between the opposing positions.

even western philosophies try to steer clear of excluding the middle without justification

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by RickJWagner » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

RBG was also the voice of reason when Justice Kavanaugh was under attack by an unhinged mob.

She truly could see beyond politics, and will be missed by both sides of the aisle.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mrkstu » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

For those so certain that the Republican Senate is going to ram though someone, there are a few moderates left, and they've already decided thing can wait until after the election:

"So far the following GOP Senators have pledged that they will not consider a Supreme Court appointment until after the next inauguration.

Susan Collins Chuck Grassley Lisa Murkowski"

[0]:https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1307115333669580807

The Senate is currently split 53/47, I don't believe Romney has addressed the issue yet. No one should get too bitter and divisive just yet.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by wyldfire » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #439

wyldfire wrote: post #216

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There's no reprisal that would intimidate him into not taking every opportunity to claim more power.

You want to split McConnell and Trump starting now. McConnell will throw Trump under the bus the moment he loses and has done the nomination. If Trump holds out he can bargain with the Democrats during the lame duck session on immunity.

Trump will leverage his lame duck session to contest the loss in the courts.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by refurb » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:31 AM UTC

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #306

tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

That is revisionist history at best Harry Reid (D) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid changed the rules and Congress have been fucked ever since.

Why is this downvoted? Harry Reid literally eliminated the ability of the minority party to filibuster a presidential nominee.[1]

So the Democrats are basically complaining that they can't stop a Trump nomination, but only because they changed the rules themselves.

[1]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/21/harry-reid-sen...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by lutorm » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:32 AM UTC

organsnyder wrote: post #518

theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

Given how broadly the United States exerts influence around the world, I feel obligated to stay and work to make things better.

You can still vote even as an expat...

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by millstone » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 1:32 AM UTC

ghufran_syed wrote: post #263

ncallaway wrote: post #185

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Then it's time to fight back. Make it absolutely clear to McConnell and Democratic leaders in the Senate that if McConnell fills this seat in an election year, then the Democrats must increase the size of the SCOTUS. McConnell needs to fear the reprisal more than he fears the delay. Because you're right, this is about power. Nothing else matters to them. So make them fear this.

So why wouldn’t the Republicans do the same thing next time they win an election? Or would the Democrats somehow guarantee that never happens again?

The current status quo is that SCOTUS is staffed based on who happens to die and who happens to be President at that time. That's a terrible design: Roe v. Wade should not hang on whether there was an economic recession two years ago.

So if there's a court-packing arms race, that may not be a bad thing. It would bring this anachronism to a head.

Maybe we have LOTS MORE justices. Then each appointment would not be so politicized because their influence would be lessened. See https://www.scotusblog.com/2018/12/academic-highlight-epps-a...