Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by rayiner » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

stjohnswarts wrote: post #590

alex_young wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

Yeah no way this matters to the current generation of Trump supporters. His second in command, McConnell, is probably calling an emergency session tonight to get the votes he needs to put in someone to end Roe v. Wade, as it is probably the most symbolic victory of women against the white male patriarchy since the birth of the USA (and suffrage) and it must not stand.

The irony of your scare-mongering is that Roe was a 7-2 case where two Nixon appointees voted in the majority. It was reaffirmed in Casey where another Republican voted in the majority. Obergefell was written by a Republican. So was Bostock.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by emerged » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

malandrew wrote: post #444

theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

As an immigrant to this country, you have no idea how good things are here in the US. It would be nice to trade those unhappy with the US with those that would be grateful to be here.

Thanks for posting this, and I'll join in support of this message even though it will cost a few internet points.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by altcognito » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:29 AM UTC

tinalumfoil wrote: post #675

elbigbad wrote: post #592

This won’t happen. I’m a reasonable person and happy to change my mind with evidence, and don’t say this lightly, but the republicans do not give a crud about any of this. They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist. This is coming from a recent former republican. I miss George Will’s Republican party.

> They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist The Trump Republicans are far better in terms of war crimes. Not "better in terms of war crimes" is some sort of crowning achievement, but its hard to get much lower than srone striking Americans on foreign soil. To say Trump isn't an improvement over Busch just boggles my mind.

He revoked the transparency surrounding drone strikes, so you don't know how often they happen.

He pardoned war criminals found guilty by our own military courts.

He is setting up companies to steal oil from Syria and has always stated that we would be fools not to take those military earned resources.

The state kills unarmed people in the US everyday, I see drone strikes in war zones as as far tinier issue than all of the above.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by Hnrobert42 » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:30 AM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #198

minimaxir wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a normal government, precedent would likely be followed. This is not a normal government.

The precedent set was that the Senate can overrule the president. That precedent will be followed. I don't think anyone misunderstands the situation - McConnell is going to do whatever is most expedient to get a Supreme Court composition that he likes. Any specific justification is mostly cosmetic - Senate has the power, and the controller of the Senate uses the power.

That was not the precedent. The precedent was to “allow the country to decide.” Drop the pretext. His side won. Screw the other side. Just have some integrity and own it.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mrkstu » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:31 AM UTC

citizenkeen wrote: post #669

mrkstu wrote: post #615

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There is no reason to 'other' people like this. Parties are things that people adhere to, some for a season, some for a lifetime, but they reflect very little about their worth as human beings. I come from a large family and we represent the whole spectrum of political beliefs, in a single generation, and all my sibs are equally kind and selfless, regardless of their political affiliation.

I think they were referring to the elected Republicans, not lay people. I'd be curious to know which elected (R) Senator/Congressperson you would consider kind and selfless.

Politicians as a class aren't well known for their kindness, but Senator Romney, Jeb Bush, Jeff Flake, Lamar Alexander and Will Hurd come to mind.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by sukilot » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:32 AM UTC

pandaman wrote: post #412

notafraudster wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

McConnell immediately clarified his position was "the Senate shouldn't consider a nomination in an election year if it's controlled by my party and the president isn't in my party" -- no kidding, this was his actual clarification.

And he just cited the position Joseph Biden asserted in 1992, no kidding: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/us/politics/joe-biden-arg...

June 1992, quite a bit ways past February.

There's always another election coming up.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tootie » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:32 AM UTC

alex_young wrote: post #122

adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

Mcconnell has already said he confirm a nominees without delay. He can even confirm after losing my the election in a lame duck session if he wants.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by lehi » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:32 AM UTC

tinalumfoil wrote: post #675

elbigbad wrote: post #592

This won’t happen. I’m a reasonable person and happy to change my mind with evidence, and don’t say this lightly, but the republicans do not give a crud about any of this. They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist. This is coming from a recent former republican. I miss George Will’s Republican party.

> They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist The Trump Republicans are far better in terms of war crimes. Not "better in terms of war crimes" is some sort of crowning achievement, but its hard to get much lower than srone striking Americans on foreign soil. To say Trump isn't an improvement over Busch just boggles my mind.

> its hard to get much lower than srone striking Americans on foreign soil.

Trump killed this American on foreign soil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawar_al-Awlaki

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by sophacles » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:32 AM UTC

edoceo wrote: post #614

throwaway6000 wrote: post #375

"BREAKING: Trump will quickly pick a replacement for Justice Ginsburg, and Sen. Mitch McConnell & the Republican-controlled Senate will move to confirm his nominee,creating a new political flashpoint in election while firing up evangelicals & shoring up GOP base and vote for Trump"

Senate Leader McCconnell has said as much: https://apnews.com/84003fe2f5c8d910afda84d2b33f19be

A man literally arguing against himself.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:33 AM UTC

blake1 wrote: post #628

erichocean wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Part of that procedure is having your party in charge of the Senate at the time of said nomination. Obama did nominate someone, he simply could not get him confirmed. That's on Obama (and Democrats more generally). Trump will also nominate someone, and because his party has a majority in the Senate, that nominee will likely be confirmed w…

McConnel had serious doubts that Obama’s nominee, Merrick Garland, would _fail_ to get a majority in the senate, so he forbade the nomination to come to a vote. So it’s a little different than you pose: you a pretending that Obama’s nomination came to a vote and lost (which would be entirely legitimate). The majority leader prevented that from even happening.

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