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I like Rogan's podcast but he definitely won't talk to anyone - When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? They may quibble over certain things but at the end of the day he wants to have a fun conversation and arguing with trans rights people for 2 or 3 hours isn't going to happen. Also they've already censored his h…
Interesting, is the list of censored episodes available anywhere?
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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan
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What specifically is middle of the road Joe Rogan saying that is “anti transgender”? Serious question.
"They have this agenda," he said, "and this agenda is very ideologically driven that anyone who even thinks they might be trans should be trans, are trans, and the more trans people the better. The more kids that transition the better." https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a33391944/joe-rogan... but you can probably find other sources, it's a direct quote.
What about that statement is anti-transgender? If anything it sounds like he is anti-transgender-extreme-activist. You can put me in that camp as well, I despise those that want to politicize innocent people for their own power.
And I fully support transgender rights, my high school friend's son in transgender from age 5 so I've seen this first hand especially during the most formative years.
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We absolutely are. We're more divided than ever. I am on the losing side of the shift. I never had to conceal my views for fear of retribution before. I could be in an echo chamber, but I am not alone in this sentiment.
In the 90s some politicians tried to ban gangsta rap, and there was an official policy that "prohibited any homosexual or bisexual person from disclosing their sexual orientation or from speaking about any homosexual relationships, including marriages or other familial attributes, while serving in the United States armed forces". I'm not trying to negate your experience. I'm just adding context about other people's e…
I'm not claiming the past was perfect. Some changes are absolutely positive.
Here's my anecdote. I look back at films from the 80s and 90s where free speech was discussed or otherwise a component of the plot. It was unthinkable to censor thoughts, or allow the government to spy and collect data on the citizens.
Both of these notions seem to have disappeared.
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I'm not convinced we're worse off than in previous decades. Granted, the type of views that are "offensive" changed and there were some clear power shifts (and from your statement I assume you're on the losing side of that shift), but having to conceal your views for fear of retribution was always a thing.
We absolutely are. We're more divided than ever. I am on the losing side of the shift. I never had to conceal my views for fear of retribution before. I could be in an echo chamber, but I am not alone in this sentiment.
I find this view difficult to square with the fact that not too long ago we were censoring and blacklisting communists, and the lingering sentiment is not “whoa, we were really against free speech for a while there” but “communism is evil”.
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I'm not convinced we're worse off than in previous decades. Granted, the type of views that are "offensive" changed and there were some clear power shifts (and from your statement I assume you're on the losing side of that shift), but having to conceal your views for fear of retribution was always a thing.
We absolutely are. We're more divided than ever. I am on the losing side of the shift. I never had to conceal my views for fear of retribution before. I could be in an echo chamber, but I am not alone in this sentiment.
Yeah we are more divided than ever, even more so than that time we owned human being and fought a war over that.
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I do not agree. How is that transphobic? Is the action of inviting an author motivated by irrational fear of trans people? Are the views[1] of the author irrational and based in fear of trans people? My understanding is the author is skeptical of the rise in reported cases of gender dysphoria over time. She contends that the rise in cases is partly a result of tangential social influences that are ultimately detrimen…
It's not just skepticism though, she strongly staked out the opposing position. I would say it is irrational to have such a strong opinion on such little evidence. Also, -phobia doesn't only mean fear. It can also mean dislike or hatred.
A strong opinion and skepticism are not exclusive.
Now we come to the core of the issue: what constitutes an acceptable balance between strength of opinion and evidence? Who arbitrates that? I say it is quite subjective.
You say her opinions are irrational and exhibit phobia. I disagree: I'd say putting such a definitive label on her position is irrational.
Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan
#147As a long time listener I will go to bat for Joe's show, he is a loving, rational, open person, and he simply does not platform hateful people or not challenge unjust statements. Some media, political actors, and certain people who don't listen to his show want to spin him as a hate speech alt-righter, especially now on this election year since he platforms Bernie and Tulsi but is against Biden. Find the amount of ba…
I’ve only listened to a few of Joe’s interviews but I really disagree that he pushes back often at all. He kind of seems like a golden retriever, eager to agree and please and genuinely non judgemental about the majority of his guests’ opinions. It makes for great conversations, and also a great platform for shitty people.
I think he pushes back against a fair number of things. But he treats his guests with respect, and won't push peoples buttons (for example, look at some of the vegan guests/etc). So he frequently lets things slide, and if you listen, you can frequently hear it, just like you can tell when your friends are doing the "sure, lets change the topic now" thing around you to avoid conflict.
The veggie thing is probably one of those areas that at some point someone will show up and be like, its possible to body build, live a healthy life without your tst supplements and eating raw deer. And he will end up having a reasoned conversation with them. Maybe, he has a lot of fairly unscientific beliefs around nutrition AFAIK.
BTW: Not sure I really agree with either of you, but there are is some very downvote heavy people in this topic, and I've been upvoting a lot of things I think have been unfairly downvoted for expressing fairly reasoned opinions. So have an upvote.. :)
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Spotify has already made the decision to exclude multiple Joe Rogan episodes from their catalog, this is just a decision of where they draw their line.
This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…
> Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics.
He does: he can put up his own website and host his videos. No company is required to host and promote his content if they don't agree with it.
Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan
#149Get over yourselves. Jesus. You work for a giant corporation anyway let's not pretend like you have some magical moral high ground.
Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan
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This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…
I'm not convinced we're worse off than in previous decades. Granted, the type of views that are "offensive" changed and there were some clear power shifts (and from your statement I assume you're on the losing side of that shift), but having to conceal your views for fear of retribution was always a thing.
Now I don't know what this was like previously, but nowadays one of the most common travel advice for vacations in the US is "Do not talk about politics with Americans. It's not a good topic for dinner conversation over there."
Make of that what you will.
Now what I've been wondering after hearing that advice multiple times is: What do Americans talk about at dinner and other occasions? Because here political issues is about half of a typical dinner conversation, the other half being recounting recent news and events. Even most of the jokes we make are political... I probably wouldn't know what to talk about.