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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sp332 »

troughway wrote: post #3

>"Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" another read. Identity politics. Something tells me if JRE wants to go on Spotify he will have to massively self-censor, which will ultimately make it easy for another grassroots JRE-alike to take his place and do what he originally did - have candid, open and h…

It's not really identity politics when Rogan is the one calling out the identity groups. Maybe not all trans* people have the same opinions or identify strongly as a group, but when Rogan calls them a social contagion, claims they have an ideologically-driven agenda, and says "Maybe if you live with crazy bitches all the time, they fuckin' turn you into one?", it's not that weird that they would have a uniformly negative response.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by np_tedious »

sp332 wrote: post #91
dogma1138 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.

I haven't seen any trans* advocates pushing for sexual reassignment for minors either, so I think that's a straw man to make them look bad. Edit: I should clarify that I'm looking for an example, if you have one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-o...

And this is from 2012. I'm frankly not sure how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, you could argue it's better to transition before puberty solidifies the undesired sexual characteristics. On the other, certainly some of these kids would end up feeling OK fine with where nature brings them after puberty passes. It's a tough issue and I respect both viewpoints.

More broadly, your reasoning here is rather silly. Just because you haven't noticed something yet doesn't mean it isn't a real thing.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by anonu »

Cancel culture at it's best. What happened to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to choose.

If Spotify were smart they wouldn't censor any of the podcasts. Instead they would put a Twitter like message warning the user... As a way to satisfy the cancel culture crowd.

I don't care about Joe or his views. But I do care about people having choice and freedom

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by tmpz22 »

anonu wrote: post #103

Cancel culture at it's best. What happened to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to choose. If Spotify were smart they wouldn't censor any of the podcasts. Instead they would put a Twitter like message warning the user... As a way to satisfy the cancel culture crowd. I don't care about Joe or his views. But I do care about people having choice and freedom

I don’t know if complete deregulation is the answer, there are some pretty shitty podcasts out there pushing QAnon, nazi, and just plain fake, information which vulnerable groups latch onto and amplify to the extent that society is severely impacted. I’m in favor of a hybrid approach where extreme hate content is tracked, called out, and in extreme cases deplatformed. The Joe Rogan platform is not at that point in my view, it’s merely gathering the lowest common denominator of podcast viewers which unfortunately really likes conspiracy content and content whose only merit is to push against academia and domain matter experts.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by [deleted] »

rjtavares wrote: post #79
dkdk8283 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…

I'm not convinced we're worse off than in previous decades. Granted, the type of views that are "offensive" changed and there were some clear power shifts (and from your statement I assume you're on the losing side of that shift), but having to conceal your views for fear of retribution was always a thing.

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by xiphias2 »

sp332 wrote: post #96
alphachloride wrote: post #76

What constitutes transphobic exactly? Is it in the eye of the beholder, like porn: you'll know it when you see it?

He had Abigail Shrier as a guest to promote her book called Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters , so that's kind of a bright line?

She brought attention that people put social pressure on underage teens to get trans operation without their parents' consent.

I would be very angry if it would happen to my 13-17 year old daughter, as children in that age are not yet capable of understanding the consequences of the operation for there whole life (includung shortening it and making it painful by injecting hormones).

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sp332 »

np_tedious wrote: post #102
sp332 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't seen any trans* advocates pushing for sexual reassignment for minors either, so I think that's a straw man to make them look bad. Edit: I should clarify that I'm looking for an example, if you have one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-o... And this is from 2012. I'm frankly not sure how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, you could argue it's better to transition before puberty solidifies the undesired sexual characteristics. On the other, certainly some of these kids would end up feeling OK fine with where nature brings them after puberty passes. It's a tough issue and I respect bot…

I think the terms used in the article are confusing. The clarification is about halfway through:

The drugs used by the clinics are approved for delaying puberty in kids who start maturing too soon. The drugs' effects are reversible, and Spack said they've caused no complications in his patients. The idea is to give these children time to mature emotionally and make sure they want to proceed with a permanent sex change.

The sex reassignment doesn't happen until they are at least 16 (which is still earlier than I expected).

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#108

Post by threeseed »

anonu wrote: post #103

Cancel culture at it's best. What happened to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to choose. If Spotify were smart they wouldn't censor any of the podcasts. Instead they would put a Twitter like message warning the user... As a way to satisfy the cancel culture crowd. I don't care about Joe or his views. But I do care about people having choice and freedom

Spotify has the right to choose what is on their platform.

Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating them.

But I guess that's not the kind of freedom you are interested in.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by jjj123 »

troughway wrote: post #37
MSM wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you're making this a little bit more political than you should be. If I work for a bank and I find out they have predatory lending (and I had the luxury of being in demand), I'd likely threaten to quit unless that was changed. We see similar things with companies all over the US and it's not usually seen as employees "bawling their eyes out and chanting mantras". Seems that because this particular instance…

That is a terrible analogy to apply here. "In reality", these disgruntled Spotify employees will take to social media with hashtags, cancelling and other trite bullshit in an effort to make the company look in the worst possible light. You'll hear accusations of sexual assault done by the upper management to everyone from the janitorial staff all the way to some senior employee. All kinds of shit will come out of the…

Tangent but as someone who has used the word ally in the past, the opposite in my mind has not been enemy, it’s bystander.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by alphachloride »

sp332 wrote: post #96
alphachloride wrote: post #76

What constitutes transphobic exactly? Is it in the eye of the beholder, like porn: you'll know it when you see it?

He had Abigail Shrier as a guest to promote her book called Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters , so that's kind of a bright line?

I do not agree. How is that transphobic? Is the action of inviting an author motivated by irrational fear of trans people? Are the views[1] of the author irrational and based in fear of trans people?

My understanding is the author is skeptical of the rise in reported cases of gender dysphoria over time. She contends that the rise in cases is partly a result of tangential social influences that are ultimately detrimental do development of kids. Rational skepticism is not phobia.

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1684510317

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