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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sp332 » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:51 AM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #33

dx87 wrote: post #18

I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up in arms about. Just a quick look through the recommended podcasts in the web player, and I see Ben Shapiro's podcast on there, who has much more extreme views on LGBT rights than Joe Rogan does.

Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.

I haven't seen any trans* advocates pushing for sexual reassignment for minors either, so I think that's a straw man to make them look bad.

Edit: I should clarify that I'm looking for an example, if you have one.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by LegitShady » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:51 AM UTC

grapehut wrote: post #48

t_sawyer wrote: post #5

Lol but they’ve got no problem with Spotify hosting Eminem songs since it’s inception? This is ridiculous.

Eminem never said that trans-women shouldn't be allowed to compete in womens-MMA fighting.

He said much worse.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by LegitShady » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:52 AM UTC

pseudalopex wrote: post #62

dx87 wrote: post #18

I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up in arms about. Just a quick look through the recommended podcasts in the web player, and I see Ben Shapiro's podcast on there, who has much more extreme views on LGBT rights than Joe Rogan does.

Spotify effectively employs Rogan. It's just another platform for Shapiro.

That's not the way distribution and licensing contracts work.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by duxup » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:54 AM UTC

graeme wrote: post #46

This is rather funny, because all the incentives are backwards. Joe Rogan used to be available on rss, and anyone could listen in any podcast player. Now Spotify bought him out, limiting his reach and making him only available on spotify. If the employees succeed, Rogan will revert to rss and become....more widely available. I am deeply opposed to Spotify’s efforts to close off the podcast ecosystem, so I hope the em…

Spotify is buying but Joe choose that path too. I understand the concern but maybe there is something about the market that makes selling to a closed ecosystem more attractive?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by hervature » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:54 AM UTC

I am posting this because there seems to be a large misunderstanding about the Alex Jones episodes being "removed" by Spotify. I am also going to give you a warning. I am going to post a link to Infowars, yes, that Infowars. It is one of the few sources that actually attempts to clarify the story behind the "removed" episodes. If you are a reasonable person, you would take this opportunity to reevaluate the sources you listen to that have been pandering to their readers about how controversial Joe Rogan is and question why these sources weren't interested in actually getting to the bottom of the removed episodes instead of causing sensationalism.

Here it is, according to Alex Jones [1], the reason why certain Joe Rogan episodes were removed from Spotify is because Joe Rogan gets to keep hosting his favorite 100 episodes on Youtube. A shrewd business decision as Spotify gets time to decide how to handle the Alex Jones episodes and Joe gets to have his most profit making episodes still on Youtube. Now, ask yourself, why is it that this news is coming from such a controversial figure? You may call him a racist, bigot, transphobe, xenophobe, or whatever. But you can't deny that the media failing to actually report on the story and the real story coming from Alex Jones just adds credibility to all his other views. Be it Sandy Hook, George Soros, or psychic vampirism.

[1] - https://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-spotify-is-not-censoring...

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sp332 » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:56 AM UTC

alphachloride wrote: post #76

What constitutes transphobic exactly? Is it in the eye of the beholder, like porn: you'll know it when you see it?

He had Abigail Shrier as a guest to promote her book called Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters, so that's kind of a bright line?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by danielahn » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:58 AM UTC

rjtavares wrote: post #79

dkdk8283 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…

I'm not convinced we're worse off than in previous decades. Granted, the type of views that are "offensive" changed and there were some clear power shifts (and from your statement I assume you're on the losing side of that shift), but having to conceal your views for fear of retribution was always a thing.

Yes - and even from the government - consider McCarthyism or Hoover's FBI and the civil rights movement.

This fear of saying the wrong thing seems to say a lot more about the expanding reach of both corporations and individuals (and for individuals, the growing scale of memetic behavior) rather than some change in attitude towards free speech.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by not_a_moth » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:59 AM UTC

As a long time listener I will go to bat for Joe's show, he is a loving, rational, open person, and he simply does not platform hateful people or not challenge unjust statements.

Some media, political actors, and certain people who don't listen to his show want to spin him as a hate speech alt-righter, especially now on this election year since he platforms Bernie and Tulsi but is against Biden.

Find the amount of baseless slander against him disturbing.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by xfitm3 » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 3:59 AM UTC

rjtavares wrote: post #79

dkdk8283 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…

I'm not convinced we're worse off than in previous decades. Granted, the type of views that are "offensive" changed and there were some clear power shifts (and from your statement I assume you're on the losing side of that shift), but having to conceal your views for fear of retribution was always a thing.

We absolutely are. We're more divided than ever. I am on the losing side of the shift. I never had to conceal my views for fear of retribution before. I could be in an echo chamber, but I am not alone in this sentiment.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by duxup » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 4:01 AM UTC

grapehut wrote: post #48

t_sawyer wrote: post #5

Lol but they’ve got no problem with Spotify hosting Eminem songs since it’s inception? This is ridiculous.

Eminem never said that trans-women shouldn't be allowed to compete in womens-MMA fighting.

Is that bad? We have separate men's and women's sports for physical reasons, right or wrong I could understand being concerned about folks crossing those boundaries and gaining an advantage in sport.