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Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#21
Perhaps I am naive, but for me something simple like:

"Warning, the following content may offend some listeners and contain factual inaccuracies. The content presented does not represent the views of blah blah"

Would help

Certainly, I appreciate Facebook's "Sensitive Content" screen, and wish it was used more widely on content.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#22
Sort of relevant. An Australian Press Council adjudication against "The Australian" newspaper:

https://www.presscouncil.org.au/document-search/adj-1783/

> The publication said the word “epidemic” is appropriate when reporting the exponential increases in those attending gender clinics and the term “social contagion” is an accepted term in social science and was taken from areas such as anorexia and suicide attempts, and where its relevance to adolescents, attitudes and behaviors is widely documented

Adjudication:

> However, the Council considers there is public interest in vigorous public debate particularly when it concerns submissions made to a parliamentary inquiry. The Council considers that to the extent there was offence and distress it was justified in the public interest.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#23
Hosting content should not be treated the same supporting it. Plain and simple. A host should have the right to curate the (legal) content they host according to whatever rules they want, but simply hosting it alone should not be treated as tacit endorcement. Otherwise, discenting voices will be left without a platform.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#24

Identity politics will destroy our country. Whatever happened to freedom of thought? Shameful

> Identity politics will destroy our country The idea of “our country” is , fundamentally, an expression of identity politics. Your disagreement is with other’s choice of primary identity, not with “identity politics” generally.

I think we’re playing with words here. That’s really not what that poster meant when they said “identity politics”.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#25
post #15

Identity politics will destroy our country. Whatever happened to freedom of thought? Shameful

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

He has guests from all spectrums, I believe it's healthy to listen to all sides and debate them on their merits.

Regarding your point about "harmful to society" I would argue that there are plenty of individuals (not myself) who would claim vulgar lyrics or promotion of drug use is "harmful to society" but I don't see those individuals having a voice and trying to cancel and deplatform those ideas.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#26
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Rogan needs Spotify’s money. If he continues as before with zero changes then it’s on Spotify to send the message to all potential partners wether they will be free to be themselves or if they will be censored. I’m sure Spotify’s shareholders will have a lot to say if editorial/censorship decisions reflect negatively on the bottom line. Side note: it’s amazing to me we’re even having the discussion of c…

>Imagine what Spotify’s staff would do if they tried to land one of the biggest conservative podcasters? Bawl their eyes out and chant protest mantras outside of their office building?

Seems like you're making this a little bit more political than you should be.

If I work for a bank and I find out they have predatory lending (and I had the luxury of being in demand), I'd likely threaten to quit unless that was changed. We see similar things with companies all over the US and it's not usually seen as employees "bawling their eyes out and chanting mantras".

Seems that because this particular instance involves some LGBTQ folks, you assume they're just walking around crying constantly...

In reality this will happen the same way every work place dispute has happened for the last hundred years. Spotify can either tell their employees "sorry, we're keeping it as-is, you can turn your badge in if you are against this decision" or find their employees too valuable and find some middle ground with JRE.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#27
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

He has guests from all spectrums, I believe it's healthy to listen to all sides and debate them on their merits. Regarding your point about "harmful to society" I would argue that there are plenty of individuals (not myself) who would claim vulgar lyrics or promotion of drug use is "harmful to society" but I don't see those individuals having a voice and trying to cancel and deplatform those ideas.

> He has guests from all spectrums, I believe it's healthy to listen to all sides and debate them on their merits.

One could easily argue that Joe does in fact not debate many of his guest and instead allow them to use his show as a platform if they so desire.

> Regarding your point about "harmful to society" I would argue that there are plenty of individuals (not myself) who would claim vulgar lyrics or promotion of drug use is "harmful to society" but I don't see those individuals having a voice and trying to cancel and deplatform those ideas.

Those individuals are still alive and loud depending on where you live.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#28
post #15

Identity politics will destroy our country. Whatever happened to freedom of thought? Shameful

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

Joe Rogan isn’t detrimental to society.

Spotify isn’t obligated it chosen too, those employees can either do their job or find another one.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#29
post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

>Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech

Does Spotify market itself as those things?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

#30
post #15

Identity politics will destroy our country. Whatever happened to freedom of thought? Shameful

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

He's also interviewed Bernie Sanders and I believe JR said he would vote for him.

Many people would consider[0] (not without zero justification) that Sanders is the most prominent USA representative of an ideology that has killed more people in the last century than any other ideology.

Do you really want to go down the path of mutual assured cancellation?

[0] no, I am not saying Sanders is a homicidal maniac, just in case people want to take that inference.

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