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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by throwaway13337 »

CivBase wrote: post #23

Hosting content should not be treated the same supporting it. Plain and simple. A host should have the right to curate the (legal) content they host according to whatever rules they want, but simply hosting it alone should not be treated as tacit endorcement. Otherwise, discenting voices will be left without a platform.

Curation is opinion.

Mostly, that opinion is that you should really be mad about something because that's what gets the engagement numbers to go up. That's what they choose to show you.

Media platforms are shaping us stronger than anything else. Allowing them to hold a status as unbiased when obviously not causes damage.

JRE should be able to be hosted but that's not because Spotify (or Facebook or twitter) should hold a special protected status.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by fourstar »

lalos wrote: post #20
mikece wrote: post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

One thing is free speech and another is giving a platform to dubious characters for them to promote their views unchallenged. What's the risk? you might be smart enough to know better but other's will use Rogan's vouching of X personality to validate their view points "well he was invited to Rogan's show so he must be important and must be listened to! have YOU been featured in Rogan's show?". I'll remind you that a…

Why do you care what Rogan says? With the way you describe him it’s clear you don’t like him. Don’t pay attention to him, then. The problem is people today who go against the grain are vilified by these bleeding heart outraged critics who have nothing better to do than attempt to cancel people. People are fed up with it.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by dogma1138 »

dx87 wrote: post #18

I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up in arms about. Just a quick look through the recommended podcasts in the web player, and I see Ben Shapiro's podcast on there, who has much more extreme views on LGBT rights than Joe Rogan does.

Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by nl »

asquabventured wrote: post #19
dragonwriter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Identity politics will destroy our country The idea of “our country” is , fundamentally, an expression of identity politics. Your disagreement is with other’s choice of primary identity, not with “identity politics” generally.

Wrong my issue is with the recent liberal trend that a humans race, creed, sexual orientation, religious preference, outward appearance, etc are an individuals defining characteristic. And if you don't conform to the bucket they want to place you based on that identity they have created for you that you will be cancelled. It's extremely polarizing and destabilizing to society.

You'd have a point if the president wasn't trying to cancel kneeling NFL players.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/american-...

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by toiletfuneral »

asquabventured wrote: post #19
dragonwriter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Identity politics will destroy our country The idea of “our country” is , fundamentally, an expression of identity politics. Your disagreement is with other’s choice of primary identity, not with “identity politics” generally.

Wrong my issue is with the recent liberal trend that a humans race, creed, sexual orientation, religious preference, outward appearance, etc are an individuals defining characteristic. And if you don't conform to the bucket they want to place you based on that identity they have created for you that you will be cancelled. It's extremely polarizing and destabilizing to society.

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by lopmotr »

tootie wrote: post #15
asquabventured wrote: post #8

Identity politics will destroy our country. Whatever happened to freedom of thought? Shameful

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

Who has the authority to identify which facts are not somebody's own? Can a fact be converted to an opinion by prefacing it with "I believe..."? Is an opinion forbidden if, like your own opinion here, it's stated in the form of a fact? What happens to people who published facts that later turn out to be wrong? Are the retrospectively punished? Are the people who denied those "facts" before they were disproven somehow compensated for having had their rights wrongly restricted? I don't think you've thought your idea through at all and are just grasping at an excuse to make your political belief sound authoritative.

Remember when people used to say America invaded Iraq so it could control the oil? That was counter to the official reason for the invasion so, according to your idea, they were not entitled to publish that. It was also not harmless self-expression because it could have altered public opinion about a war, which can have serious consequences.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by troughway »

MSM wrote: post #26
troughway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Imagine what Spotify’s staff would do if they tried to land one of the biggest conservative podcasters? Bawl their eyes out and chant protest mantras outside of their office building?

Seems like you're making this a little bit more political than you should be. If I work for a bank and I find out they have predatory lending (and I had the luxury of being in demand), I'd likely threaten to quit unless that was changed. We see similar things with companies all over the US and it's not usually seen as employees "bawling their eyes out and chanting mantras". Seems that because this particular instance…

That is a terrible analogy to apply here.

"In reality", these disgruntled Spotify employees will take to social media with hashtags, cancelling and other trite bullshit in an effort to make the company look in the worst possible light. You'll hear accusations of sexual assault done by the upper management to everyone from the janitorial staff all the way to some senior employee. All kinds of shit will come out of the woodwork. You'll find out the company is toxic, misogynistic and that it is a horrible place for people to work. You'll hear how some employees go home crying every night because they feel assaulted.

You're blind to the fact that anyone using the term "ally" in any of this is implicitly labeling anyone not with them an "enemy". This is warring language, and the whole thing is very tribal.

But yes, lets go with predatory lending.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by nl »

asquabventured wrote: post #25
tootie wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

He has guests from all spectrums, I believe it's healthy to listen to all sides and debate them on their merits. Regarding your point about "harmful to society" I would argue that there are plenty of individuals (not myself) who would claim vulgar lyrics or promotion of drug use is "harmful to society" but I don't see those individuals having a voice and trying to cancel and deplatform those ideas.

The FCC tried to cancel Eminem, and before that NWA were cancelled by radio stations all over the country.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by lalos »

fourstar wrote: post #32
lalos wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing is free speech and another is giving a platform to dubious characters for them to promote their views unchallenged. What's the risk? you might be smart enough to know better but other's will use Rogan's vouching of X personality to validate their view points "well he was invited to Rogan's show so he must be important and must be listened to! have YOU been featured in Rogan's show?". I'll remind you that a…

Why do you care what Rogan says? With the way you describe him it’s clear you don’t like him. Don’t pay attention to him, then. The problem is people today who go against the grain are vilified by these bleeding heart outraged critics who have nothing better to do than attempt to cancel people. People are fed up with it.

I like him, I'm supporting his idea of giving anyone the right to express their ideas. Therefore, I'm interested in the people that also have their concerns about his shows and Spotify's business decisions and they must be heard/read, why are you intolerant to other views and want to censor them by suggesting people to turn their heads? That sounds like canceling to me and btw I don't want to cancel anybody.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by disposekinetics »

austhrow743 wrote: post #29
mikece wrote: post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

>Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech Does Spotify market itself as those things?

They signed an exclusive deal with Joe Rogan. I don't know if they intended to send that signal, but it made me check them out for exactly that reason.
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