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Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Brazilian Candomblé ritual music may have the same effect. For those who want to try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ZBZI5pSOg

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

>> find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and after about twenty minutes you will enter an altered state

I followed your trance recipe to the letter and soon entered a state of mind that on this day was novel to me. It seriously made me happy to be alive and to be human. However, that feeling didn't linger. Now I'm back to my usual miserable self, a blob of cells that all try but mostly they fail to communicate with each other in a way that is pleasant for the vessel, me. I don't think I was in a trance. Perhaps I should have danced.

I'm very intrigued, though, by the idea of rhythm being a protagonist ingredient of "flow". I'm a programmer, musician only by heart, but on Wednesdays instead of instruments I play the rhythmic game of tennis. One time me and my brother, two racket-throwing outwards-acting tennis brats in need of anger management therapy both entered "flow" at the same time and it lasted a good hour and a half. In the middle of our match a large group of youngsters, perhaps thirty individuals, entered the yard and became our audience. They started to discuss our game. They correctly dismissed us as being "not top notch". They chit-chatted. They said this and that. They were merely meters away from us but acted like they were watching TV and that e could not possibly hear them. After the game we both said: were you ever bothered by the ruckus? We concluded that no, we weren't but that we could still paraphrase almost all of the comments we've heard from the audience. But during the game it seemed to us that nothing could get us out of the state of flow. In fact, neither of us understood we were in the flow state until the ruckus began.

This was an out-of-mind, out-of-body and out-of-this-world experience for me that I have not been able to reproduce since. I was untouchable and I loved it.

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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From an old documentary I watched early '00s (no idea what it was called), there was a musician that claimed music with a BPM between 135-140BPM and a 16th note bass line was in a frequency range that made it very easy for the human brain to sync up to it. Something about being very close to the Theta wave (or which ever brain wave, it's been a long time since I've seen it). This would result in a dance floor full of…

I too have heard this but looking at brain waves on wikipedia:

    Delta wave – (0.5 – 3 Hz)
    Theta wave – (4 – 7 Hz)
    Alpha wave – (7 – 15 Hz)
    Mu wave – (7.5 – 12.5 Hz)
    SMR wave – (12.5 – 15.5 Hz)
    Beta wave – (15 – 30 Hz)
    Gamma wave – (>30 Hz)
Based on the wide frequency range on any of those it's hard to justify a range as tight as 135-140BPM, "137 heaven" notwithstanding

There's definitely some interesting cognitive science in what makes a good tune though. I sketched out some informal ideas here https://omnisplore.wordpress.com/2017/11/25/kolmogorov-compl...

I used to write the odd bit of psytrance back when I had enough time in my life, hope it's not too rude to link some here :) https://oscillicraft.bandcamp.com/album/dreampsyker

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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From an old documentary I watched early '00s (no idea what it was called), there was a musician that claimed music with a BPM between 135-140BPM and a 16th note bass line was in a frequency range that made it very easy for the human brain to sync up to it. Something about being very close to the Theta wave (or which ever brain wave, it's been a long time since I've seen it). This would result in a dance floor full of…

Reminds me of "Human Time" 94-96BPM https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/26978... > JAD: Because if we're unconsciously speeding up slow beats and slowing down fast beats, well, there's got to be ... MATTHEW GUERRIERI: Some particular point ... JAD: ... right in the middle ... MATTHEW GUERRIERI: ... where our judgment of time actually syncs up with actual time. JAD: Where in other words, we guess th…

I think people also tend to misjudge tempo depending on the content of the music (also discussed in my link above)

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

>> find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and after about twenty minutes you will enter an altered state I followed your trance recipe to the letter and soon entered a state of mind that on this day was novel to me. It seriously made me happy to be alive and to be human. However, that feeling didn't linger. Now I'm back to my usual miserable self, a…

do you have the link of the music ?

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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post #50

It's quite the leap going from brain rhythms mentioned in the research to anecdotal talk of audio drum rhythms isn't it? There's no mention of audio in that article. Brain rhythms in this context simply mean patterns of neural activity. this activity happens all the time, even in people who are profoundly deaf.

Indeed, the induced rhythms in the article are stimulated by shining light on the brain of mice to induce certain cells to fire, and electrical impulses on a human subject.

Nothing at all to do with music or the auditory system.

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post #8

This would be a workable explanation for being able to "soul travel" while meditating. When I did the whole Trancendental Meditation thing back in the late 70's it was all about clearing your mind of everything except a repeating mantra. EEG's of people meditating show rhythmic brain activity typical of sleeping. If that is the case (and I'm not saying it is, just noting the potential path here) then it would suggest…

What is "soul travel"?

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e8bUyC55cc

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Give me my free drugs

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post #13

This reminds me of the binaural beat technique ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemi-Sync ) that the Monroe Institute has been claiming for decades is a way to induce out of body like experiences.

That brings me back. I played around with Hemi-Sync stuff back in 2007 during my freshman year of college. I never got much out of it, and determined it was bullshit. 13 years later, I'm probably somewhat more open to the idea, after spending a decent amount of time meditating and experimenting with a few psychedelics. (Not in a mystical sense, just in a "maybe sound can help induce certain altered states of consciou…

I had some pretty interesting experiences with i-doser around that time.

A lot were fairly humdrum but there was this one time that was incredibly intense and it made me feel as if I had died. I was afraid of ever doing that one again. It left a lasting impression on me that entrainment definitely is a thing.

I must revisit that and have another go.

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