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Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Well, it does require electrodes to be implanted in the brain...

The body is basically zillions of electrodes wired to the brain. If we discover the patterns we could -in principle- induce them through vision, hearing or skin pulses. Binaural beats (aka "computer drugs") also come to mind.

not the same, brains are not a computer, you do not upload the beat to them.

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This reminds me of the binaural beat technique ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemi-Sync ) that the Monroe Institute has been claiming for decades is a way to induce out of body like experiences.

That brings me back. I played around with Hemi-Sync stuff back in 2007 during my freshman year of college. I never got much out of it, and determined it was bullshit.

13 years later, I'm probably somewhat more open to the idea, after spending a decent amount of time meditating and experimenting with a few psychedelics. (Not in a mystical sense, just in a "maybe sound can help induce certain altered states of consciousness".)

Now that I have some meditation experience I kind of want to go back and experiment with binaural beats again.

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

There was an interesting section in Michael Pollan's book "How to Change Your Mind" about combining breathwork with drumming. It seems with the right setup that you can induce certain altered states of consciousness that are pretty equivalent to certain psychedelics.

I'm definitely interested in seeing what can be done to without the aid of drugs. As someone who had some bad trips that gave me 6 months of anxiety, a non drug induced altered state sounds preferable.

That being said, even something as seemingly benign as meditation can lead to intensely challenging experiences in certain situations. But overall, not relying on drugs seems generally safer.

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Bit of an aside but various states consciousness has always been front of mind in certain regards with Haitian culture.

Zombie-mania has been in the US for a while now, but in Haiti it, at least in part, originally referred to when you zone out going through rote day-to-day actions without thinking.

Can’t remember where you parked your car? You were a zombie when you did it.

Etymologically it’s interesting as well, to be taken (literally “mounted”) by a lwa or spirit.

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Could you recommend any artists or albums? Love this stuff!

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> Before the advent of the pharmacological revolution, it was widely understood that brain activity depends on both chemical and electrical signals. The subsequent dominance of pharmacology almost obliterated interest in the electrophysiology of the brain for several decates.

From The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D., in a section about "Applied Neuroscience" as it pertains to resolving trauma. It seems that the wave properties of the brain have been under-valued since psychopharmacology really took off in the 70s.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it does require electrodes to be implanted in the brain...

The body is basically zillions of electrodes wired to the brain. If we discover the patterns we could -in principle- induce them through vision, hearing or skin pulses. Binaural beats (aka "computer drugs") also come to mind.

After extensive testing of binaural beats over the years, I've concluded that, for me, they do basically nothing. Maybe some people's brains are more susceptible to outside influence though.

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Try "Disposition, Reflection, Triad" by Tool :) Truly an experience

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Bit of an aside but various states consciousness has always been front of mind in certain regards with Haitian culture. Zombie-mania has been in the US for a while now, but in Haiti it, at least in part, originally referred to when you zone out going through rote day-to-day actions without thinking. Can’t remember where you parked your car? You were a zombie when you did it. Etymologically it’s interesting as well, t…

Fascinating. It sounds like the exact opposite of "mindfulness".

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I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Bit of an aside but various states consciousness has always been front of mind in certain regards with Haitian culture. Zombie-mania has been in the US for a while now, but in Haiti it, at least in part, originally referred to when you zone out going through rote day-to-day actions without thinking. Can’t remember where you parked your car? You were a zombie when you did it. Etymologically it’s interesting as well, t…

there's also that whole fraud-by-scopolamine tradition in haiti that contributes to zombi-mania....
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