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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by DashAnimal »

severino wrote: post #35
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

GPU decoding support for video streaming in Chrome/Firefox was enough for me to switch back. I know this JUST got added to Firefox but afaik, this Nvidia proprietary drivers don't support this.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Avamander »

saberience wrote: post #125
jacquesm wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So use Linux if you want an 'it just works' gui. It just works. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since just about forever and it works just fine. Very, very rarely do I hit the limitations of the system, usually this is when trying to do something weird such as running 8 sound cards in the same machine or some other strange hardware feat. But other than that it is very hard to find flaws in the day-to-day use…

Linux "just works" if you're a developer who posts on Hackernews. It doesn't work if you're my parents or older sister.

My parents and older sister say otherwise, if we're posting anecdotal evidence.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by rbanffy »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #102
larrik wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can barely tell the difference between Excel and LibreOffice Calc with both of them open on the same computer...

"Then you haven’t really used excel beyond loading a CSV into a table." Bad example. I've brought LibreOffice to its knees after importing a CSV file: went to adjust a column width and it became non-responsive. And this was within the last year. They have done a lot of performance work on LibreOffice and I appreciate that, but it is a long way away from Excel for serious work. My favorite snag was on a plot with the…

> but it is a long way away from Excel for serious work.

Most people don't use Excel for "serious work". Most people use Excel to make colorful grids of text and some calculated numbers that fit in a common corporate issue 8GB computer.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by cycloptic »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #136
JamesSwift wrote: post #104

Sorry for the ignorance, but what does this mean? I understand from the article that the patch allows the full Hyper-V stack to run on a linux-based machine (as opposed to previously needing windows to run the root partition). But what does _that_ mean to have the ability to run Hyper-V entirely on linux? Is it just a "good to have options" thing?

It probably means they want to leverage out the existing open source VM software so they can make one with proprietary Windows support (at some point down the line). There is a long history of this in the past with Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Everyone should be afraid of this, even the Microsoft employees commenting here. Look at the 737 MAX post on the front page for ano…

>Everyone should be afraid

Please don't FUD like this. Proprietary systems on top of Linux are nothing new and Microsoft certainly isn't the first company to have done it. If you have some real proof of their business plans then let's hear that rather than encouraging speculation and fearmongering.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by rbanffy »

arvinsim wrote: post #54
ekianjo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there. On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

> On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :) I think this kind of attitude is why Linux on the desktop will probably never be mainstream.

It being used by those who don't refuse to learn better tools is kind of a feature too. ;-)

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by rbanffy »

speedgoose wrote: post #71
ekianjo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there. On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

What are the better tools?

It depends on what you are doing, but when I have to manipulate gigantic grids of numbers, I use Pandas. When I am just doing normal mere mortal spreadsheety stuff, I use LibreOffice or Google Sheets.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by absove »

arvinsim wrote: post #54
ekianjo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there. On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

> On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :) I think this kind of attitude is why Linux on the desktop will probably never be mainstream.

I don't think this attitude is the reason why Microsoft won't port the Office suite to linux.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by bubblethink »

shock wrote: post #115
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fingerprint Drivers have never worked, outside the Lenovo specific spin.

My Dell Latitude's fingerprint sensor worked under Ubuntu in 2014.

Old fingerprint readers were reversed. Newer stuff is more tightly locked down. People have reversed the communication protocol, but various other bits are harder to get around due to signatures or other DRM like mechanisms.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by rbanffy »

DashAnimal wrote: post #141
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

GPU decoding support for video streaming in Chrome/Firefox was enough for me to switch back. I know this JUST got added to Firefox but afaik, this Nvidia proprietary drivers don't support this.

This is one of the reasons I actively avoid buying Nvidia hardware - their Linux support is borderline criminal.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by de_watcher »

cycloptic wrote: post #144
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably means they want to leverage out the existing open source VM software so they can make one with proprietary Windows support (at some point down the line). There is a long history of this in the past with Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Everyone should be afraid of this, even the Microsoft employees commenting here. Look at the 737 MAX post on the front page for ano…

>Everyone should be afraid Please don't FUD like this. Proprietary systems on top of Linux are nothing new and Microsoft certainly isn't the first company to have done it. If you have some real proof of their business plans then let's hear that rather than encouraging speculation and fearmongering.

It's not FUD. It's the Microsoft's never-changing strategy. I don't know how many times people need to experience it to remember this.
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