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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by sandworm101 »

severino wrote: post #35
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

>> I try to avoid exotic hardware components

My exotic hardware can only run on linux (wifi hacking dongles, SDR bits, very old data devices). One of the big reasons I switched to linux as a kid was so that I could play around with tools that windows hates, like enabling monitor mode on a wifi card.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by severino »

moomin wrote: post #81
severino wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know lot of people use excel, and can't live without it. Anyway, the point is that we can blame Linux for kernel or driver issues, its thousands of desktop environments for its bugs, etc, but I don't think it's fair to say that Linux "doesn't work" just because Microsoft will never release Linux versions of their desktop software. I have a working Linux desktop and I also use spreadsheets in my day to day work.

Not to be funny, but OP didn't say it "doesn't work". OP said it wasn't workable, which is a synonym for practical. Something can be 100% fit for one purpose but not for another.

Well, he said "it-just-works", but it will never get to that point by its own merits, as it depends on one rival company releasing software for you.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

Nothing that Windows NT 3.51 didn't offer already, Microsoft just wasn't serious regarding POSIX compatibility.

Had Microsoft kept POSIX support on par with Win32 and Linux would never taken over.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

severino wrote: post #35
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

My laptop AMD card begs to differ.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by shock »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #109
Sangeppato wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hear that, I always assumed that at least the ThinkPads were 100% compatible

Fingerprint Drivers have never worked, outside the Lenovo specific spin.

My Dell Latitude's fingerprint sensor worked under Ubuntu in 2014.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by tmottabr »

rubidium wrote: post #55
jmnicolas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's already WSL for your Unix needs. However MS seems to fall back on its old bad habits and the "it-just-works" gui is less true since a while now (I would say a year): we had some major pains after every Windows update at work to the point where the admin blocked them in the firewall. I think their release schedule (twice a year) is way too fast, and they should focus more on stability.

LTSB for the win. I don’t know why more orgs don’t default to that.

It is not used on most orgs because LTSB is not meant to be used on desktops, Microsoft docs even say it is not meant for desktops and so they will likely not support you if you use it in a desktop.

LTBS is meant for stuff like ATM or POS as replacement for the older Windows embedded versions.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by xist »

jmnicolas wrote: post #65
rubidium wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LTSB for the win. I don’t know why more orgs don’t default to that.

We're 2 to manage IT tasks in the company (my real qualification is software dev though). We don't have access to Microsoft anything (too expensive) so we use the licenses that comes with the computers we (rarely) buy. I still haven't managed to convert all our workstations from Win 7 to Win 10 (and yes we still have a couple XPs), there are special apps on them that needs the intervention of one of our provider, it'…

LTSB (or LTSC) aren't designed for general purpose web office machines. This is one of the reasons it's difficult to get LTSC, it's only available via enterprise and it's designed for a very specific non changing long term environment. It will never have the most updated drivers, or the integration of the latest/greatest web browser or microsoft store.

LTSB is amazing fit for things like kiosks, POS, appliance that are designed for a single purpose only. Uptime & Stability is the purpose, not enduser focus. You should never use it outside of a large enterprise where you can support it.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by wyattpeak »

severino wrote: post #112
moomin wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be funny, but OP didn't say it "doesn't work". OP said it wasn't workable, which is a synonym for practical. Something can be 100% fit for one purpose but not for another.

Well, he said "it-just-works", but it will never get to that point by its own merits, as it depends on one rival company releasing software for you.

Merits don't come into it. It's not an issue of intention or willingness to address problems.

People who need Excel don't refuse to use Linux because they take issue with its stance of not-having-Excel, they don't use Linux because it doesn't have Excel.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by jacquesm »

baryphonic wrote: post #99
jacquesm wrote: post #90

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So use Linux if you want an 'it just works' gui. It just works. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since just about forever and it works just fine. Very, very rarely do I hit the limitations of the system, usually this is when trying to do something weird such as running 8 sound cards in the same machine or some other strange hardware feat. But other than that it is very hard to find flaws in the day-to-day use…

I recently had an issue with my Linux Mint desktop where a power outage somehow introduced a hard disk error that was not easy to resolve (unless one knows exactly what to look for in the logs and knows the correct `fsck` incantation from memory). Linux is definitely still worth it, but the "just works" factor is just significantly less than MacOS.

If that had happened to you on Windows instead of doing an fsck you might have had to re-install from scratch. And I've had OS/X helpfully suggest to 'initialize a harddrive' with some perfectly good data and a borked boot block on it.

Fixing that took a lot more magic than just an fsck, no matter what the incantations. Once you have trouble at that level any OS will be tricky to get going again because a lot of the underlying assumptions have failed.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

withinboredom wrote: post #12
microtonal wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui I switched from macOS to Linux. GNOME and others are pretty good these days. I did try Windows + WSL2 out of curiosity, but my brain is just fundamentally incompatible with non-unix systems. Moreover, I was really annoyed that when Windows installed drivers a…

> Why? You’d have to ask the driver developers. In my experience though, that crapware is the only way to configure the hardware since config files aren’t a thing in Windows.

On the other hand, because config files aren't a thing you don't have to learn 15 different poorly documented often-changing config file formats.
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