If we assume this is technically sound and so on, is there a political dimension that will be considered before merging this? Such as "this will decrease Linux marketplace penetration in this-and-this niche"? I know that Linux is not a company etc so a direct comparison is awkward, but there can still be such considerations weighing in, perhaps...?
Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux
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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux
#52The only reason I am still using windows is MS office. I might give it a try myself... My home machine is running Arch linux and works flawlessly for more then two years already. Just my work is still stucked with a lot of documentations sharing between some other people and I need MS office programs which have no alternative in open-source word. well, the office.com looks promising these days and I hope to switch co…
Yeah, I was going to mention the online versions.
If you’re doing simple office stuff, it works great. If you need excel plugins and stuff, then you’ll need a local version.
Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux
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I can understand some people have specific needs and have to use software like that, but I wouldn't say an OS doesn't work just because you can't use some software on it. You can't also have Omnigraffle for Windows, yet nobody would say Windows doesn't work for that reason.
Excel is, in and of itself, a single reason alone for many people in various industries to own or operate a computer. If computers no longer ran Excel, they would buy a dedicated Excel Machine to do it, and put it on their desk next to their computer. You can make a similar argument about Premiere and After Effects, although the fact that Resolve runs on Linux is helping the situation a little. The Autodesk products…
I know lot of people use excel, and can't live without it. Anyway, the point is that we can blame Linux for kernel or driver issues, its thousands of desktop environments for its bugs, etc, but I don't think it's fair to say that Linux "doesn't work" just because Microsoft will never release Linux versions of their desktop software.
I have a working Linux desktop and I also use spreadsheets in my day to day work.
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Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.
> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there. On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)
> On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)
I think this kind of attitude is why Linux on the desktop will probably never be mainstream.
Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux
#55>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui
There's already WSL for your Unix needs. However MS seems to fall back on its old bad habits and the "it-just-works" gui is less true since a while now (I would say a year): we had some major pains after every Windows update at work to the point where the admin blocked them in the firewall. I think their release schedule (twice a year) is way too fast, and they should focus more on stability.
LTSB for the win. I don’t know why more orgs don’t default to that.
Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Excel is, in and of itself, a single reason alone for many people in various industries to own or operate a computer. If computers no longer ran Excel, they would buy a dedicated Excel Machine to do it, and put it on their desk next to their computer. You can make a similar argument about Premiere and After Effects, although the fact that Resolve runs on Linux is helping the situation a little. The Autodesk products…
I know lot of people use excel, and can't live without it. Anyway, the point is that we can blame Linux for kernel or driver issues, its thousands of desktop environments for its bugs, etc, but I don't think it's fair to say that Linux "doesn't work" just because Microsoft will never release Linux versions of their desktop software. I have a working Linux desktop and I also use spreadsheets in my day to day work.
No, but if you are a developer choosing a system to use then this can never-the-less be a good reason for not choosing linux and preferring either macOS or windows with a unix layer.
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WSL2 is a simple virtual machine. Nothing you couldn’t do on macOS with e.g. multipass.
It's really not. With WSL2 the kernel runs in a VM, but user-space programs do not. As a result, CPU-bound programs suffer close to zero overhead compared to running natively on linux. AFAIK, there's no way to achieve anything like this on macOS.
Do you have any source/documentation for this? I'd really like to read more about it, my understanding has always been that WSL2 was more or less a classic VM on a type-1 hypervisor (Hyper-V)
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I would say that these days the exotic components are the ones that DO work on Linux, and various common components just don't, or work "on paper" but with debilitating bugs.
I really feel this. I manage about a hundred computers for scientists/students. Total free reign. Some want to use linux. I’m sorry, you will never have working audio. Oh. It looks like the available linux drivers don’t play nice with this sandy bridge mobo and the dm will fail to initialize. The list goes on. Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.
Weird. Outside of wifi Debian and Fedora always just work for my exotic configs.
Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux
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I really feel this. I manage about a hundred computers for scientists/students. Total free reign. Some want to use linux. I’m sorry, you will never have working audio. Oh. It looks like the available linux drivers don’t play nice with this sandy bridge mobo and the dm will fail to initialize. The list goes on. Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.
Weird. Outside of wifi Debian and Fedora always just work for my exotic configs.
Ububtu is almost exclusively requested. I wouldn’t say most of these configs are exotic, just legacy.
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Supposedly windows 10X will be that thing. I have to say I find the settings / control panel dichotomy issue overblown. I rarely need to go into control panel anymore, and pretty much never without it being a clickthrough from the new settings app.
I primarily care about how terrible the new settings window is and that it's a step back from the Control Panel in too many ways to ignore. What's with all the wasteful white space? What's with the inability to multi-task settings?
Agree with the non-availability of multiwindow Settings, but the UI of Settings seems to mimic iOS and Android settings, which in my opinion, modern, simple, and familiar. The Control Panel UI seems so complex nowadays.