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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by moomin »

severino wrote: post #53
sneak wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excel is, in and of itself, a single reason alone for many people in various industries to own or operate a computer. If computers no longer ran Excel, they would buy a dedicated Excel Machine to do it, and put it on their desk next to their computer. You can make a similar argument about Premiere and After Effects, although the fact that Resolve runs on Linux is helping the situation a little. The Autodesk products…

I know lot of people use excel, and can't live without it. Anyway, the point is that we can blame Linux for kernel or driver issues, its thousands of desktop environments for its bugs, etc, but I don't think it's fair to say that Linux "doesn't work" just because Microsoft will never release Linux versions of their desktop software. I have a working Linux desktop and I also use spreadsheets in my day to day work.

Not to be funny, but OP didn't say it "doesn't work". OP said it wasn't workable, which is a synonym for practical. Something can be 100% fit for one purpose but not for another.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by larrik »

severino wrote: post #53
sneak wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excel is, in and of itself, a single reason alone for many people in various industries to own or operate a computer. If computers no longer ran Excel, they would buy a dedicated Excel Machine to do it, and put it on their desk next to their computer. You can make a similar argument about Premiere and After Effects, although the fact that Resolve runs on Linux is helping the situation a little. The Autodesk products…

I know lot of people use excel, and can't live without it. Anyway, the point is that we can blame Linux for kernel or driver issues, its thousands of desktop environments for its bugs, etc, but I don't think it's fair to say that Linux "doesn't work" just because Microsoft will never release Linux versions of their desktop software. I have a working Linux desktop and I also use spreadsheets in my day to day work.

I can barely tell the difference between Excel and LibreOffice Calc with both of them open on the same computer...

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by harha »

whereistimbo wrote: post #60
Alopis wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I primarily care about how terrible the new settings window is and that it's a step back from the Control Panel in too many ways to ignore. What's with all the wasteful white space? What's with the inability to multi-task settings?

Agree with the non-availability of multiwindow Settings, but the UI of Settings seems to mimic iOS and Android settings, which in my opinion, modern, simple, and familiar. The Control Panel UI seems so complex nowadays.

I don't think having a similar UI as mobile is very good for the user since the input mode is very different.

I think macOS does way better here with a minimal use of white space because I can easily have a browser open on the side to look up what I'm trying to change - though some things do appear a bit old school (e.g. networking).

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by colejohnson66 »

ekianjo wrote: post #50
nicoburns wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there. On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

> On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools

Replace “Office” with Photoshop, Autodesk, Altium, etc. and it becomes very clear why this isn’t true. The Big Guys(tm) aren’t popular because they’re Windows and macOS programs; They’re popular because they do practically everything and no alternative comes close.

Sure, there is the bit about market dominance which leads to people learning just that tool which leads to further dominance (this is true of Photoshop especially). There’s also the bit about tools not getting better if no one uses them. But one would be hard pressed to find programs as capable as those mentioned earlier.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by dooglius »

severino wrote: post #62
baq wrote: post #46

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Windows drivers for GPUs have at least an order of magnitude more people working on them than Linux drivers.

I don't know for other vendors, but at least for nvidia, there's parity with the Windows drivers, according to the benchmarks and the general stability. In fact, I remember when sometimes a feature had to be removed from the Linux version of the nvidia drivers just to keep "parity with the Windows one".

IIRC most of the nVidia codebase is platform-agnostic with small bits that shim to the underlying OS, rather than developing two entirely separate codebases.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by dogma1138 »

larrik wrote: post #82
severino wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know lot of people use excel, and can't live without it. Anyway, the point is that we can blame Linux for kernel or driver issues, its thousands of desktop environments for its bugs, etc, but I don't think it's fair to say that Linux "doesn't work" just because Microsoft will never release Linux versions of their desktop software. I have a working Linux desktop and I also use spreadsheets in my day to day work.

I can barely tell the difference between Excel and LibreOffice Calc with both of them open on the same computer...

Then you haven’t really used excel beyond loading a CSV into a table.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Filligree »

willis936 wrote: post #41
milankragujevic wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that these days the exotic components are the ones that DO work on Linux, and various common components just don't, or work "on paper" but with debilitating bugs.

I really feel this. I manage about a hundred computers for scientists/students. Total free reign. Some want to use linux. I’m sorry, you will never have working audio. Oh. It looks like the available linux drivers don’t play nice with this sandy bridge mobo and the dm will fail to initialize. The list goes on. Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.

> Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.

Ever since the 2004 windows update, the dGPU in my windows laptop randomly turns on after sleep. If I try to force it off, it bluescreens. Battery life has gone from 10 hours to 3.

Tell me again about how good Windows' drivers are?

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by x87678r »

severino wrote: post #35
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Last two jobs I've had you can only connect to work from MacOS or Windows. They've had some custom virus scanner.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by jacquesm »

aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So use Linux if you want an 'it just works' gui. It just works. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since just about forever and it works just fine. Very, very rarely do I hit the limitations of the system, usually this is when trying to do something weird such as running 8 sound cards in the same machine or some other strange hardware feat. But other than that it is very hard to find flaws in the day-to-day use and for more mundane use cases it just works accurately describes the state of affairs.

If you have to develop for Windows then that's of course another matter.

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