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Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by bartread »

hugi wrote: post #140
bartread wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an example of the cultural difference you're talking about: I don't think this is social cohesion. This is highly intrusive: people interfering with other peoples' lives, constantly scrutinising and fault-finding, and sticking their noses in where they don't belong. To me it sounds absolutely intolerable.

I find car owners higly intrusive, driving huge, noisy, polluting machines and demanding I provide them with expensive, highly disrupting infrastructure. Cultural difference, I guess.

What are you talking about? Yes, cars are covered in the article, but if you look at the parent and GP posts in this thread - the ones I've responded to - we're clearly talking about wider aspects of living in one particular quarter.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by hdjdbtbgwjsn »

labawi wrote: post #149
hdjdbtbgwjsn wrote: post #59

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Even the Amish use real nappies rather than messing around with reusables. Real nappies are better for baby and toddler bums, easier for already stressed parents and more hygienic. Reusables result in massive energy and water waste, they are a health hazard if not washed properly (many manufacturers washing instructions are very inadequate. They must be washed at a minimum of 60°C whatever your manufacturer said), re…

> Reusables [...] release loads of microplastics Do people use synthetic reusable diapers? Why would you do that?

Absorption. Even with the fanciest microfiber reusable your babies bum is red raw after a few nights. Cotton would be appalling.

I'm not speaking in the abstract. We tried reusables.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

hugi wrote: post #140
bartread wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an example of the cultural difference you're talking about: I don't think this is social cohesion. This is highly intrusive: people interfering with other peoples' lives, constantly scrutinising and fault-finding, and sticking their noses in where they don't belong. To me it sounds absolutely intolerable.

I find car owners higly intrusive, driving huge, noisy, polluting machines and demanding I provide them with expensive, highly disrupting infrastructure. Cultural difference, I guess.

As someone living in Germany, I also found cars in the city to be shit but they're a necessary evil for those who need to commute long distances not covered by quick and frequent public transport(like subways) since it's not like the city/government will build bike paths and public transportation to fit everyone's home2work route.

There's a bus to my workplace but it's every 30 minutes, so if I miss it, that's 30 minutes of my day wasted waiting for the next one. Or I could get a car and get there whenever I can/want and have more free time for myself at home. The choice wasn't difficult.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by jcelerier »

lifty wrote: post #109
woodpanel wrote: post #102

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It's a good question for proving my point. Claiming the moral high ground should presume posession of moral basics like decency (cutting people some slack, benefit of the doubt). Even more so if the moral high ground is used to shame others pulicly or subjugate to dishonorable treatment. If not, all the moral grandstanding is just an excuse to behave like a douche. Thus: people who are annoyed by this leave, with the…

If you knit them yourself from cotton grew in your background, you should be safe.

> The plant is a shrub native to tropical and subtropical regions around the world, including the Americas, Africa, Egypt and India.

How dare you grow non-native plants in your german backyard ! This is both a remnant of colonialism AND a danger to local biodiversity.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by legulere »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #35
Aperocky wrote: post #26

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wondering if it got worse - if they did manage to build more nuclear plants like French did (75% from nuclear) instead of closing them all down, maybe Germany will be able to heat their homes without CO2 emissions in winter.

> wondering if it got worse - if they did manage to build more nuclear plants like French did (75% from nuclear) instead of closing them all down, maybe Germany will be able to heat their homes without CO2 emissions in winter. They don't need to build anymore, they just import it. I lived 30km away from Alsace, and despite us having a significant amount of solar on all of our buildings, as did most of the local commu…

> They don't need to build anymore, they just import it.

Please stop spreading myths. Germany was an energy exporter for most of the last years and even to France in the last 5 years [1]. And it's not that we just export in summer and import in winter [2].

[2] https://www.energy-charts.de/exchange.htm?source=de_ce&year=... [2]: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by Meandering »

pvorb wrote: post #10
Meandering wrote: post #8

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Fear has a way of disarming logic.

I don't think it's unreasonable to fear nuclear accidents, as history has shown us.

Of course it isn't. The issue is that the majority of fear against nuclear comes from nuclear weapons and improper management. People have erroneously thought that nuclear power technology is similar to nuclear weapon technology when they meltdown. The reality is that a meltdown isn't even close to a nuclear chain reaction. Chernobyl was an example of poor management and Fukushima was an example of poor design. These failures were not do to nuclear material.

Nuclear material is obviously dangerous when used improperly. The fear of 'fallout' has stunted the growth of a superior technology. I believe we would have made a far more significant change to C02 output if society had invested money and effort into nuclear technology instead of renewable technology. Not that I'm anti-renewable but, MSR and other nuclear technologies have the potential to be far more reliable, cost effective, and environmentally beneficial in the long run.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by iforgotpassword »

danrl wrote: post #53

Not ITT: The obvious topic of crime in Freiburg. OK, in 2019 the lost the lead of city with most crimes per 100.000 inhabitants. But Freiburg still scored 3rd place. Freiburg has many faces and the linked article is a very selective subset of what Freiburg is. Don't be fooled.

City with most crimes worldwide?

According to stats from 2018 it was only number one in Baden-Wurttemberg, not even all of Germany.

https://www.chilli-freiburg.de/stadtgeplauder/politik-wirtsc...

It still seems to be relatively safe.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by afiori »

jcelerier wrote: post #154
lifty wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you knit them yourself from cotton grew in your background, you should be safe.

> The plant is a shrub native to tropical and subtropical regions around the world, including the Americas, Africa, Egypt and India. How dare you grow non-native plants in your german backyard ! This is both a remnant of colonialism AND a danger to local biodiversity.

you need to build an underground greenhouse deep enough to be under aquifers and to be geothermically heated in winter powered by an all zero emission electrical grid

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by pierrebeaucamp »

mihaaly wrote: post #51
porknubbins wrote: post #11

400km of bike trails is an insane amount for a small town, assuming they aren’t counting bike lanes. I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that in bike or MUTs.

I'd call it adequate instead. > I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that And this sad.

> I'd call it adequate instead.

It's above average for sure. As a counterexample, take the city of Münster, which covers twice the area of Freiburg and is often praised as one of the most bike-friendly cities in Germany. It only claims to have 300km of bike lanes.

> > I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that

> And this sad.

There are a lot of 1M+ cities that have more than that. Just from personal experience:

* Munich - 1,200 km

* Berlin - 422 km

* Toronto - 973 km

* Metro Vancouver - 4,600 km

But comparing the cumulative length of bike-paths is a bit of a silly comparison anyway.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by hh3k0 »

margo209320 wrote: post #144
dmos62 wrote: post #92

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It's a cultural thing. Some people can't imagine living wihout a car, others can't imagine using disposable diapers, others can't imagine not forcing women to wear a veil. Or, for example, is your trash production a private affair, or is it a communal responsibility, subject to scrutiny? If you're flexible you can set up your outlook however you think is best. And there are of course prevailing mindsets, depending on…

> not forcing women to wear a veil How the fuck does THAT fit with the other examples you gave? The word "force" in there should make it pretty clear that it's not ok or just a matter of opinion.

That's easy, just paraphrase owning a car. I'm thinking something along the lines of "force the generations that are coming after you to live in a dystopian hellscape because you preferred comfort." Now it fits quite nicely.
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