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Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by wusel »

Dahoon wrote: post #97
usr1106 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy laws are the same nowaday all over EU more or less (the are some national differences). The difference is that the awareness for privacy in Germany has been much higher at least since the early 1990s when a census was declared unconstitutional in supreme court. A long time becfore surveillance capitalism was thing. Germany probably has the biggest share of people opposing Google in all markets they operate in…

Sad that the awareness makes very little difference. Looking at CryptoAG, Maximator, etc. Germany is one of the worst sinners right below UK and US.

What's that about Maximator?

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by Fooloo »

hutzlibu wrote: post #91
Fooloo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, your baby tells you that it must go and you hold it over toilet. And yes I raised two child like that.

And pee? ... and I know the technic and I know it requires more time. And the people I know applying it .. were only partly succesfull. With the result of shit around. And pee.

Obviously for pee it is the same. Does not mean you have to do it everywhere. I would not get in an airplane without a diaper. And obviously western nursery does not work without it either.

About accidents: And then what is more unhygienic?

Feces, urine on the floor or feces, urine all around your bottom? For the first you can use almost any cleaning liquid you want, for the second even to much soap is not good.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by supergirl »

Aperocky wrote: post #19
gautamcgoel wrote: post #17

I lost interest in the city as soon as the article pointed out that the city's "environmentalism" was rooted in opposition to a nuclear power plant. This kind of thinking is backwards and self-destructive.

Not just the city, Germany made the decision to shut down ALL of the nuclear power plants when Fukushima happened. Now they found they're dependent on Russian gas.

i don't even have to research this to know it is false. germany just doesn't make decisions on a whim like other countries

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by throwaway8451 »

alimw wrote: post #117

In spite of the obvious conclusion that the rights of pedestrians have won out over cars in Freiburg, the lasting memory I have of my visit is of people waiting obediently on the kerb of an entirely empty road because the green light to cross hadn't come on yet

I'm german and I often wait there too.

As long as I can remember thinking about this, I've seen it as habitual practice of self-control, i.e. practising self-control by not giving in to the urge to cross the street early - and automatically on top of that because it became a habit long ago.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by pvorb »

campl3r wrote: post #125
pvorb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's unreasonable to fear nuclear accidents, as history has shown us.

Which history?

Chernobyl, Fukushima, and a long list of smaller accidents: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accide...

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by GlennS »

_ph_ wrote: post #116
adventured wrote: post #111

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> China has 21 times the population of France, so building 12x as many nuclear power plants isn't much. They're not 12 nuclear power plants, they're reactors. China is adding 35-40x the new nuclear power generation vs France over 20 years. It doesn't make much sense to only sample 4-5 years for such a ratio given how long it takes to build nuclear. If we only sample out to 2024-2025, France may be at zero on that sca…

No, completely not. Of course I am aware that nuclear power plants are still being built. For various reasons. I said, no one can afford to build nuclear power plants. That some still do, is another matter. The thing is: France is not building enough nuclear power plants to sustain their current nuclear production levels. Finland is struggling to finish the one under construction (vast cost overruns), the UK has a si…

When the Hinkley project in the UK was originally planned it probably looked like a much better calculation.

Renewables were still expensive then.

Oil prices were heading over $100/barrel - with no reason to believe they would drop.

There was a lot of hope around the new generation of automatically safe reactors.

Hinkley was supposed to be the first in a chain of new reactors, with later reactors having decreasing costs due to economies of scale and learning.

Time passed, delays accumulated, the situation changed, and I guess they just refused to adapt to the new circumstances, because they'd already spend so much money?

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by atesti »

woodpanel wrote: post #43

Apparently, owning a car is the easiest way to commit social suicide in Vauban — That is the spirit unfortunately. Unfortunately, because once you allow to degrade strangers/neighbors in public for something malign like that, it doesn’t stop there. Because of this Vauban is not always admired, rather sometimes regarded as tax payer funded dystopia for upper class people to live in. E.g. your amount of thrash you can…

>E.g. your amount of thrash you can dispose per month is highly regulated, via communal key-card opened dumpsters. Once you’ve reached your threshold, the dumpsters stay closed.

Do you have any source for that? I find it fascinating, but was not able to find any link about this, only that the student dorm does not have "bio"-dumpsters for compostable garbage.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by Micoloth »

alimw wrote: post #117

In spite of the obvious conclusion that the rights of pedestrians have won out over cars in Freiburg, the lasting memory I have of my visit is of people waiting obediently on the kerb of an entirely empty road because the green light to cross hadn't come on yet

I guess at the end of the day they are Germans lol

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by _Microft »

gautamcgoel wrote: post #17

I lost interest in the city as soon as the article pointed out that the city's "environmentalism" was rooted in opposition to a nuclear power plant. This kind of thinking is backwards and self-destructive.

I would have prefered to keep some nuclear as alternative carbon-free emission source but this ship has sailed. If we had wanted to have new nuclear power plants, we should have built them two decades ago. We won't get new nuclear plants in time, so better churn out solar fields and wind turbines instead as they are much quicker to build.

Summary: nuclear power is done here, deal with it instead of hanging on to the past.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by hugi »

bartread wrote: post #78
prox wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think such behaviour is ok, but that’s because I feel that is what it means to be socially invested. But I also recognize that for other countries this might seem restrictive or weird (as in why would you do that?) In practice, and I currently live in a socially cohesive neighborhood, in practice it is just very laidback and it’s about helping eachother out and live and let live.

As an example of the cultural difference you're talking about: I don't think this is social cohesion. This is highly intrusive: people interfering with other peoples' lives, constantly scrutinising and fault-finding, and sticking their noses in where they don't belong. To me it sounds absolutely intolerable.

I find car owners higly intrusive, driving huge, noisy, polluting machines and demanding I provide them with expensive, highly disrupting infrastructure. Cultural difference, I guess.
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