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Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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>Who doesn't think libraries are a valid substitute for offices? Anyone who enjoys having a personalized ergonomic workspace that fits their needs. Working on a laptop 8 hours a day is going to be terrible for your body long term. >without also becoming feudal lords. You really underestimate what people given power, implicit or explicit, can do with it. Once you're able to tell people what work they should do, you ha…

> Working on a laptop 8 hours a day is going to be terrible for your body long term. Libraries have computer workstations with proper ergonomics. Bring your laptop and a long HDMI cable. Push the workstation’s keyboard and mouse back. Plug your laptop into the monitor with the HDMI cable, then set the laptop down where the workstation’s keyboard was. Switch the input on the monitor to your laptop. (Ignore the laptop’…

>but the team hires the executive assistant.

Some manager up the hierarchy hires the executive assistant, the team simply has input into the process. I suspect the input into the firing will quickly go down to 0 if the person who actually has firing power likes the EA. If the team has direct firing power then you're going to get some lovely politics going on between everyone like giving choice work to half the team all the time to keep them on your side.

>but a president commands at the sufferance of their people.

Technically, they only need 50% of the people at best.

edit: And since the EA isn't actually accountable for productivity (how can they be, they can't fire the "unproductive" team members after all) they can play even more political games since they're less in the line of fire for backlash.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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Can you discuss why you want to go back to the office?

I’m not the parent poster, but I agree with their preference. It’s psychological. I focus better with a clear delineation of work in a work setting and personal life in a home setting. Even the physical transition of the commute helps me switch over. This is something that has eroded in the last six months even though I’ve tried to substitute it with practices like an “office” room. Additionally, I am definitely a pe…

The office I work in is open plan, which I would imagine is the case for the significant proportion of individual that do their work in an office. There are constant interuptions and it's way too loud. In order to focus, I have to shut off the background noise with headphones, and even they don't deter most people from interupting my flow. As my customer base is wide spread, I'm in vidoe calls anyway. This means that it really doesn't matter where I work. I do miss some of my collegues, I do miss some of the interactions and technical discussions that go on, as much as a little bit of the banter. Slack/Teams can be very impersonal and nuance is totally lost with text based media. With that said, I'm definately more productive at home. I can definately get more done and I definately do not miss the commute. I see much more of my kids and my wife, which to me at least, is the most important thing. Work-life harmony seems to me to be easier to atain if the choice of working from home is available.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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At 5.30 I reboot my workstation from linux into windows. Separation complete :)

I am glad this works for you! Maybe it's because I can't switch my mind so easily, I prefer a physical distance (I don't think a separate room would be enough for me either).

If you don't have a separate room, it's hard to see how much difference it can make. I've worked from home since 2008 with a one-year break immediately before COVID-19, and I'm glad to be back, but the separate room was essential for me.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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> I think ideally it should be up to the employee to return when they feel safe. agree, but not as an explicit company policy. what I mean is, if the company officially says something like "the office is open, but you don't have to come back until you feel safe", this can put pressure on employees to agree that they feel safe. if you're one of the last people to return, maybe you start feeling pressure to give some s…

> I just can't see how it can be a net harm for remote workers to cook themselves hot lunches every day How is it not net harm to have to do a chore that you didn't have to do before?

Anyone that didn't have free, onsite lunch had the chore 'provide self with lunch'.

I'm pretty sure that free onsite lunch is rather exceptional. People that don't like to cook can still buy lunch or whatever.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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I don't care about "us" going back to the office but I definitely want to go back to the office and I am far from alone in this.

I'm with you on that one. I actually want to go back to the office.

I don't have a dedicated workspace at home, and I'm definitely feeling it. The line between working from home, and living at work, is getting very blurry. Our living room has become an office, our kitchen has become the other office. The bedroom is now the only space sacrosanct.

It's not so much that I miss the office, but I certainly miss "going to work" and "leaving work". That's very difficult to replicate in the space I have - here I am on a lazy saturday afternoon, and "work" is the sleeping thinkpad just to the left of me.

Obviously if this persists, I'm going to need to look into a larger living space. Either going from a 1 bedroom to 3, or somewhere large enough to have a separate dining room we can repurpose (and "young-couple flat with an actual dining room instead of a table floating in the middle of an open-plan room" seems to be quite rare.)

So whenever I hear talk of how much our employers could save by not needing anywhere near as much property - in the back of my head I'm starting to realise it's just shifting that property cost from them to me.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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At 5.30 I reboot my workstation from linux into windows. Separation complete :)

I am glad this works for you! Maybe it's because I can't switch my mind so easily, I prefer a physical distance (I don't think a separate room would be enough for me either).

To be fair I've been working 60% remote for a few years now, so moving to 100% wasn't a huge strain for me. It's actually something I've wanted for a while.

I've had time to get my head around the separation you talk about, I guess. Also helps that I'm on a small team and we all slack something like "Signing off now, catch you tomorrow" at around 5.30. Puts an end on the day.

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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> Working on a laptop 8 hours a day is going to be terrible for your body long term. Libraries have computer workstations with proper ergonomics. Bring your laptop and a long HDMI cable. Push the workstation’s keyboard and mouse back. Plug your laptop into the monitor with the HDMI cable, then set the laptop down where the workstation’s keyboard was. Switch the input on the monitor to your laptop. (Ignore the laptop’…

>but the team hires the executive assistant. Some manager up the hierarchy hires the executive assistant, the team simply has input into the process. I suspect the input into the firing will quickly go down to 0 if the person who actually has firing power likes the EA. If the team has direct firing power then you're going to get some lovely politics going on between everyone like giving choice work to half the team a…

> Some manager up the hierarchy hires the executive assistant.

My post assumed team autonomy, where each team has an entirely separate hiring pipeline. Think “startup that’s recently been acquired by a big company, but hasn’t yet been absorbed into it.” I think Amazon’s AWS service teams are also like this. Tiny little independent business units.

But really, you don’t need that; you could still have a mostly-hierarchical organizational structure, but just take hiring/firing away from the managers at every level. with no managers making hiring decisions at any level. You’d give all hiring/firing power, instead, to teams; or rather, to each team’s hiring subcommittee (which would be a temporary thing, elected anew from the team members each time hiring/firing must be done.)

You can still have traditional managers in such an org, but their main purpose at that point (if the EA duties are being played by an actual EA) would be to serve as the contact point for a team — the “API” that the rest of the org uses to access the team members and their labor. So, essentially, a talent agent.

> edit: And since the EA isn't actually accountable for productivity

Sure they are. Just because something may fail for reasons entirely out of your control, doesn’t mean you’re not usually, partially in control. A wilderness guide can still be held accountable for the safety of those in their charge, even if sometimes there’s just suddenly an angry lion.

The point of the EA—like the point of an effective manager—would be to (attempt to) be a multiplier for the team’s aggregate productivity, usually by subtly enabling knowledge-sharing and communication, while deflecting outward pressure.

As such, a measure of the EA’s effectiveness, is the same as a measure the team’s aggregate productivity, against a pre-existing baseline measurement of the team’s aggregate productivity with no EA/manager.

I would guess that it’s very likely that the average EA/manager has neutral or negative impact on aggregate team productivity. Which makes sense; an EA/manager needs to have (much) higher coordination skills than the average human being, in order for their inserting-themselves into coordination problems to be worth the overhead it introduces.

> Technically, they only need 50% of the people at best.

If you like — and this works especially well when done remotely — you can set up your EA/manager as a (team-specific, unlimited-scope) helpdesk, where team members “file tickets” with the EA to do things for them; and where the EA/manager can also file tickets themselves “on behalf of” someone, when they notice something going subtly wrong and are trying to help without being explicitly asked to do so.

Probably you could do this in a streamlined, ChatOps way, where any new team-workspace message thread with the EA/manager is automatically a new ticket.

Then, you can throw industry-standard IT-helpdesk ticket-resolution performance metrics at the tickets the EA/manager is creating+resolving.

This won’t tell you anything about aggregate productivity, but it will tell you — in a very legible, statistical way — whether the EA/manager is preferentially solving problems for only a subset of team members. (Don’t hook anything automated up to that fact; you need manual review, because it might be the team member that’s giving the EA stupid asks that they’re rightfully ignoring.)

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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The expectation from the fortune 500 company I work at is we will eventually go back to normal. Though we are slowly starting to come around to COVID as being potentially a multi-year situation. We’ve got a small number of people in management roles that will return a few days a week in office soon. I’m personally a bit worried this will create an expectation or disadvantage for others not in office. In my observatio…

The best answer I've heard of is a company opening up the offices but mandating that all meetings are over videoconference anyway. Need to get out of the house? There's an office for you. But you don't have an inherent in-person advantage in a meeting.

That seems like a good policy

Re: Why do so many people want us back in the office?

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It seems lately that most accounts arguing in favor of going back into office immediately are throwaways. I wonder why that is 🧐

Totally off topic, but I've never seen an emoji on HN before - maybe the restrictions on Unicode characters have been lifted? Edit: weirdly it seems to just be that specific emoji, others don't work

What are you viewing it on?

I submitted my comment using Hack (iOS) but the emoji is coming though for me as the black box as well.

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