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Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by nojvek »

At this point if people really think Apple is a bully and want to do something out it, pull your apps out of App Store. Better yet do an over the air update letting the users know how much of a bully Apple is.

If a significant % of apps protest, then Apple has to bend down. Apple isn’t with much if they don’t have the developer and customer mindshare.

Microsoft lost the mobile market because they couldn’t make a viable AppStore. Those Nokia phones were fantastic but the apps were very subpar.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by GrimRe »

pier25 wrote: post #492
GrimRe wrote: post #392

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>Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. What a ridiculous thing to say. 1) You make it seem like Apple are some capricious God like entity that any moment will completely change the underlying terms and conditions you agreed to when running your business in iOS. Its simply not true. If you remove this one situation with Epic its li…

> If you remove this one situation with Epic its literally never happened. Apple has removed apps from the App Store and blocked apps from being published or updated MANY times. Inform yourself.

Give me one single example of Apple changing the T&Cs and then retroactively removing Apps that are in violation of the new T&Cs.

Every single time Apple removed an App from the App Store is because the new version was somehow in breach of the T&Cs.

You could say that the rules was applied unfairly to Hey but nonetheless the T&Cs were clear as day about off platform signup/payments because it protects consumer from sham companies.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by GrimRe »

manicdee wrote: post #512
pier25 wrote: post #492

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> If you remove this one situation with Epic its literally never happened. Apple has removed apps from the App Store and blocked apps from being published or updated MANY times. Inform yourself.

This one situation with Epic is about Apple disabling "Sign In With Apple".

which has also never happened (excluding Epic)

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by fakedang »

tracker1 wrote: post #436
fakedang wrote: post #419

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So another Stadia?

If they won't be able to support iOS, they can just launch their own "store" for Android. Similar to Amazon's. Though I'm half surprised Steam hasn't done this. I do question the justification of the 30% cut they all seem to take.

Another "store" is fine. But another device is a very doubtful prospect.

From what I see, the resilience of the PC through the years only shows that people want less consoles, not more.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by ghosty141 »

zanecraw wrote: post #431
aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

As much as I like Apple's products, I do have to agree with you that they need to get off their high horse. It's insane how much power they have and they use it to rip off companies that even challenge them one bit.

Remember that we the customers GAVE them that power. They are allowed to do whatever they want with it. People here complain that they have so much power while wearing an apple watch...

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by ghosty141 »

tramav wrote: post #451
kirykl wrote: post #376

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This applies to any business that operates a store, and a business that sells a product within that store. Replace software with retail in your example, it doesn't sound so abnormal "Walmart can, at will, remove your entire line of potato chips from your (their) customers and your existance in their stores is just gone."

However: Does Apple support officially other app stores on their iOS platform or allows to sideload apps in a convenient manner?

However: Does Walmart support other Stores that sell your chips?

No! You need to move away from Walmart.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by butterisgood »

jowsie wrote: post #362
butterisgood wrote: post #307

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I doubt you know what you’re talking about. It’s never been about a status symbol for me. I don’t regret switching to Apple 20 years ago and the very little amount of time I spend fighting the OS to do what I need it to on a daily basis. If anything, I have to put up with schmucks telling me I bought apple hardware for looks more than I enjoy any sort of status symbol for owning it.

You might have been the average apple user 20 years ago, but times have changed.

My point is your perception is YOUR problem - not those who use something for their own benefit.

Also fuck your opinion of anyone using A Mac. Seriously. Fuck off.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by pjmlp »

jariel wrote: post #477
cafed00d wrote: post #445

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Do the top 100 apps on iOS feel the same way though? Does every developer out there think 30% commission on paid apps is tyranny? I feel like it's a reasonable trade-off. Free apps don't cost you much (yes, $99 for dev tools is not much honestly. It keeps away spurious bots and spammy accounts). Paid apps cost 30% -- if the dev decides to charge outrageous prices then well, Apple will take an outrageous cut). Most ap…

"Does every developer out there think 30% commission on paid apps is tyranny?" Combined with the ambiguity, lack of choice, threats to business - absolutely yes, iOS is basically universally reviled by developers. Nobody on this planet accepts that the 30% is necessary for anything ergo, it's a massive chunk out of profits. Most companies are not hugely profitable. In many cases, Apple is making considerable more pro…

Back in the old days that was up to 80%, so no not all developers.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by procombo »

manicdee wrote: post #506
procombo wrote: post #330

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The more reasonable thing for Apple to do is to separate the code-signing services (platform security and privacy) with the App Store services (advertising and distribution). From my vantage point that would solve all these problems.

At that point the code signing service would become the thing that Epic objects to the most because it's money they're paying Apple for all their games running on Apple products.

I assume that service would only cost ~$10/month, because that's what Apple currently charges for Developer accounts.

The 30% per transaction only really makes sense for apps for which Apple has provided the advertising, distribution and processing -- the App Store.

I'd love to just provide a direct download for my customers who also happen to be Apple (device) customers.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by toper-centage »

manicdee wrote: post #504
danShumway wrote: post #91

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People should be careful drawing too many comparisons to consoles, because as someone who owns rooted consoles that run homebrew mods, I can attest that it's actually awesome and improves the user experience in about a dozen ways. My 3DS supports savestates & backups for games like Animal Crossing that let me maintain multiple towns at the same time, custom emulators that run my old Gameboy cartridge backups that I m…

This stunt by Epic is absolutely about going after consoles too. Epic wants to have their store on every platform, with Epic taking a cut out of the games published on their store, leaving nothing to the host platform. Eventually the console makers will die due to lack of funding, and Epic will release their own console which will be more locked down than an Apple iPhone.

Your conclusion cracked me up. I guess you either die a hero...
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