Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages

Post by gigatexal » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 7:20 AM UTC

realusername wrote: post #300

gigatexal wrote: post #296

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I see this argument everywhere and it makes no sense. The ToS is up to the owner of the platform. It's the same reason I don't use Facebook: I think the company and what they do with my data is diametrically opposed to my way of thinking so I voted to leave by deleting my account. Developer's do have a choice: abide by the ToS and enjoy the trappings of a user base that tends to spend more on applications be they sub…

> The ToS is up to the owner of the platform When there's only two companies fully controlling the next era of computing platforms, there's some argument that they have way too much power in their hand. > The game is like a car that drives on a road. The car is Epic's Fortnite. The road is a toll road. The road was built by Apple. Many cars can drive on this road but must pay a fee. (The analogy isn't 1:1 but work wi…

Post by fomine3 » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 7:22 AM UTC

parasubvert wrote: post #66

theflyingelvis wrote: post #5

“There is nothing anticompetitive about charging a commission for others to use one’s service,” Apple said in the filing. What about forcing someone or some company to use a service (apple's payment systems)?

No one is forced to use it: just stop developing for iOS. Same goes for any other platform like Google Play, Xbox, Nintendo, etc. Or selling concert tickets through Ticketmaster.

Post by fomine3 » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 7:23 AM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #284

loktarogar wrote: post #42

> it is a multi-billion dollar enterprise that simply wants to pay nothing for the tremendous value it derives from the App Store. Half true. EPIC doesn't really get any value from the App Store except data delivery, which they're more than willing to do themselves. Fortnite is popular enough that the app discovery part of the store is meaningless.

Epic gets the safety and security of iOS from the App store, which makes iOS users spend almost ten times as much as Android users on apps.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 7:24 AM UTC

rpdillon wrote: post #265

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> I am just waiting untill car companies as "platform owners" start preventing you from driving to areas they don't like, or exceeding speed limit. Maybe just don’t buy that car then?

Just like I should buy a phone without a restrictive app store installed by default that bans apps capriciously?

Post by pjmlp » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 7:25 AM UTC

simion314 wrote: post #277

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> devs who feel that they can supply their own marketing and payment processing can do it themselves. The issue I have with that is that then a ton of companies think it's a good idea to ship a crappy "launcher" that needs to run on startup, taking up resources in the background while providing little to no added functionality. We can see that with PC games; it used to be just Steam, but now there's the Epic Games La…

And this is a good thing, competition between this stores is good for the users, some users got free games, some developers got better deals. The "needs to launch on startup" is FALSE , you can have this launchers set no to start at all and you launch the game and the launcher will start if needed (not all Steam games need Steam in background). FYI GOG launcher is optional, you can just download the game from the web…