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Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by newbelarus »

newbelarus wrote: post #10

Hi Folks, We ran the Belarus' post-election survey. Over 10,000+ respondents. Here are the results: - Результат опроса «День Выборов Президента Беларуси» — https://surveymonkey.com/results/SM-W9PZGD9B7/ - Панель индикаторов «День Выборов Президента Беларуси» — https://www.surveymonkey.com/stories/SM-RKSGN36D/ Here are the results for pre-election survey: - «Кандидаты на пост президента Беларуси» — начать опрос — http…

Лукашенко Александр - 4,64% - 404 (Lukashenko, 26 years in power)

Тихановская Светлана - 87,68% - 7,639 (Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, removed from the country)

Others:

Дмитриев Андрей - 0,59% - 51

Канопацкая Анна - 0,25% - 22

Черечень Сергей - 0,38% - 33

Etc:

Против всех - 2,80% - 244

Предпочитаю не говорить - 3,66% - 319

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by bobthepanda »

dctoedt wrote: post #91
bobthepanda wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The states are free to choose their way of allocating their House representatives so long as they are directly elected. I don’t know if Proportional Allocation would count as directly elected, and to force all states to go along with it you definitely need an amendment.

> to force all states to go along with it you definitely need an amendment Not necessarily — Congress has vast powers under the Fourteenth Amendment. See the just-published "Abolish the Senate" by lawyer and well-regarded liberal commentator Thomas Geohegan [0]. [0] https://thebaffler.com/salvos/abolish-the-senate-geoghegan

Good luck finding a Supreme Court that would go along with it.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by maerF0x0 »

guyomes wrote: post #115
maerF0x0 wrote: post #74

For me, this serves as a stark reminder to invest in barriers to oppression. * General education (ideally, not state mandated) * General self defense (fitness, martial arts, firearms training) * Technological counter measures - TOR, crypto, crypto currency, and IMO we should be pushing for electronic voting systems (not shitty ones, but truly great ones) * *Edit: By great ones, I mean ones that allow us to validate o…

> we should be pushing for electronic voting systems (not shitty ones, but truly great ones) Experts in electronic voting systems are discouraging the use of this technology for high stake elections, even with state-of-the-art schemes: https://www.belenios.org/faq.html

Right, by "pushing for" I mean we should be taking the academic discussion into the engineering realm to make it a reality. AFAIK there is no existing off the shelf product that satisfies the requirements.

One example that is working on such a thing is: https://voting.works/

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by codezero »

batmansmk wrote: post #112
411111111111111 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And potentially making you a liability to unscrupulous dictators is smart? It's either pointless because nobody wants to fake results or you're another obstacle to remove.

In 1990, my brother observed the elections in Croatia that lead to the Yugoslavian war. Western Europe was recruiting young people to defend democracy and human rights across the continent. The bet was to stabilize all countries on the continent. Pro-Serbian regime tried to fraud, but with the help of international observers, they got shutdown, votes have been reorganized when needed, and the sole presence of neutral…

Shit, this is a comment that doesn't deserve to be hidden on hacker news, this is amazing. Thanks for sharing this.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by Taek »

pjc50 wrote: post #55
formerly_proven wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly heading for a civil war stoked by the country's president in both cases (one trying to paint his trickster self as a man of law and order, one trying to hold on to power after yet-another mock election). Though the parts of the protests we get to see from Belarus look far more civilized than the pictures coming in from the US.

The US election is likely to be extremely messy and contested. Hence my comment upthread suggesting that people volunteer as poll watchers.

I agree. The situation with the mail is extremely worrying as it indicates more corruption may be on the horizon.

If there was ever a time for Americans to be diligent, it is in ensuring that the election is fair and that the results are honored.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by trhway »

diego_moita wrote: post #117
Const-me wrote: post #97

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> Collapse of communism on Eastern Europe in the 80s and 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars 130000 dead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution 1000 dead

The Yugoslav wars were mostly ethnic conflicts that happened after the collapse of communism, not exactly a democratic revolution. I concede in Romania, but that is an atypical case. The overall case of collapse communism was peacefull: Poland, Hungary, East Germany, Czechozlovakia, Bulgaria, Albania, ...

No, the way to 1989 wasn't all that peaceful. For example there was the martial law and repressions against "Solidarity" during 198x in Poland. And you forgot the 1968. The resolve of the East Europeans in 1989 was pretty clear that if USSR brings in tanks the people will continue to stand up even in the face of the tanks, and it will be 1968 all over the place. The 1968 provided credibility to that. Thus the USSR and the regimes supported by it backed finally down.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by Taek »

gruez wrote: post #118
maerF0x0 wrote: post #74

For me, this serves as a stark reminder to invest in barriers to oppression. * General education (ideally, not state mandated) * General self defense (fitness, martial arts, firearms training) * Technological counter measures - TOR, crypto, crypto currency, and IMO we should be pushing for electronic voting systems (not shitty ones, but truly great ones) * *Edit: By great ones, I mean ones that allow us to validate o…

>* General self defense (fitness, martial arts, firearms training) The first two are relatively non-controversial, but also won't do much against security forces with tear gas and rubber bullets. I suspect the last would be controversial in the US as gun control/ownership is a very polarized issue.

Martial arts goes a lot further than I think most people realize. You gain pain tolerance, bodily self control, and a greatly increased awareness of your vitals and physical limits.

In the protests where you see people covering tear gas canisters with cones or hurling them back, more likely than not those are martial artists or other athletes who train regularly. Your ability to act decisively and correctly in a scary environment greatly improves.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by bobthepanda »

spankalee wrote: post #89
cpitman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any idea how to preserve the ability for people to go to "their" representative under that model?

You're much more likely to get "your" representative in this model. In geography-based districting, you only have a chance to vote for someone who represents your interests if they run in your district. Gerrymandering is often perpetuated under claims that we need to draw districts to group like voters so they can have representation. Example: Black majority districts were drawn to allow for Black representatives, bu…

I just don't know that an entire US state is the correct resolution to have multi-seat districts at. I feel like I would prefer in larger states to have a multi-seat district of one or more counties, but not really an entire state.

It's not like states are some auspiciously chosen grouping of counties with clear benefits.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Post by Taek »

csomar wrote: post #116
maerF0x0 wrote: post #74

For me, this serves as a stark reminder to invest in barriers to oppression. * General education (ideally, not state mandated) * General self defense (fitness, martial arts, firearms training) * Technological counter measures - TOR, crypto, crypto currency, and IMO we should be pushing for electronic voting systems (not shitty ones, but truly great ones) * *Edit: By great ones, I mean ones that allow us to validate o…

I don't think the problem with Belarus is the lack of these but rather of external forces. Russia thinks that Belarus belongs to its control; and a democratic system will most certainly be US-friendly. This is hardly a citizen revolt against dictatorship and is one of the several proxy-war these two guys (US/Russia) are playing worldwide.

It's a lot harder to kidnap citizens when they are armed and surrounded by other armed citizens, especially if all of those citizens have substantial firearms training.

I endorse bringing guns to peaceful protests in a state where unmarked officials are kidnapping people in broad daylight. That is exactly the sort of reason that the right to bear arms is planted deep within our constitutional rights.

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